Paul's gospel must be accepted

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Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.

One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?

In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. God is reconciled where the sins of the world are concerned, because he imputed those sins to Christ, that all who would believe what he imputed to Christ, that that resolved the sin issue forever, and are now joined to his son and have his righteousness freely counted to them, or imputed to their account.

Paul called it the ministry of reconciliation, Christ fulfilled the law for us, so we are identified with the righteousness of Christ the moment we take God at his word, obedient to the faith, concerning what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Today our service comes not out of apprehension to any of those things; our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dcdkkkgEcE

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by newnature

Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.

One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?

In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. God is reconciled where the sins of the world are concerned, because he imputed those sins to Christ, that all who would believe what he imputed to Christ, that that resolved the sin issue forever, and are now joined to his son and have his righteousness freely counted to them, or imputed to their account.

Paul called it the ministry of reconciliation, Christ fulfilled the law for us, so we are identified with the righteousness of Christ the moment we take God at his word, obedient to the faith, concerning what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Today our service comes not out of apprehension to any of those things; our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dcdkkkgEcE

It sounds like you are saying that God will not hold future sins against a believer?

[Michael The Disciple]

Im at about 17 minutes into this video. It is so disgusting. He twists the scriptures by applying scriptures that pertain to Christians BEFORE they were saved to them now. He tries hard to convince his hearers they need do NOTHING at all to be saved. As pathetic as he is he is just one of the huge number saying the same thing.

He thinks Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus.

He teaches a Christian is sinning if they even repent of a sin.

What is this "Preachers" name?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im at about 17 minutes into this video. It is so disgusting. He twists the scriptures by applying scriptures that pertain to Christians BEFORE they were saved to them now. He tries hard to convince his hearers they need do NOTHING at all to be saved. As pathetic as he is he is just one of the huge number saying the same thing.

He thinks Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus.

He teaches a Christian is sinning if they even repent of a sin.

What is this "Preachers" name?

I believe that God did indeed impute the sins of the whole world to Christ. I believe it for this reason that he has not destroyed the world. I believe his blood bought every sinner for God. But Christ's sacrifice also made him LORD, and forgiveness of sins is attached to his Lordship. Therefore, until a sinner repents and submits to Christ and HIS righteousness, they are still a rebel and enemy to God. They are refusing to submit the vessels God purchased to live in (their own bodies) to his dominion. By doing so , they are trampling under foot the blood of the Son of God ....

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e]
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[TGBTG]

2 Cor 5
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

God has reconciled the whole world to himself but RECONCILIATION takes more than one party. Just like Paul said, "Be ye reconciled to God."

God's done his part..man has to do his part...(which by the way totally destroys the notion of LIMITED ATONEMENT...but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

2 Cor 5
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

God has reconciled the whole world to himself but RECONCILIATION takes more than one party. Just like Paul said, "Be ye reconciled to God."

God's done his part..man has to do his part...(which by the way totally destroys the notion of LIMITED ATONEMENT...but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)

Did the sin offering by the high priest at the holy of holies cover the sins of all Israel? Did Adams sin infect the whole human race?

So, the blood of Christ, the Son of God is less effective than these?

All will be brought thru the necessary "refiner's fire" to open their eyes but evenually ever one will declare that "...Jesus is LORD, to the glory of God the Father..." Men can continue in rebellion, and they will lose the life that is possible for them in this age, but they will not continue in rebellion, for His power and His love is irresistible!! He will not fail in all He has purposed to do. 1 Tim 4:10.

One's belief does not save them, one's salvation (thur Christ's righteous act) causes one to believe. I am not saved because I believe, I believe because I am saved.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im at about 17 minutes into this video. It is so disgusting. He twists the scriptures by applying scriptures that pertain to Christians BEFORE they were saved to them now. He tries hard to convince his hearers they need do NOTHING at all to be saved. As pathetic as he is he is just one of the huge number saying the same thing.

He thinks Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus.

He teaches a Christian is sinning if they even repent of a sin.

What is this "Preachers" name?

How much obedience does it take to make to heaven? 100%? If so, are you 100% right now?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How much obedience does it take to make to heaven? 100%? If so, are you 100% right now?

Jesus said be perfect. He said only those who do the Fathers will are going to Heaven. Jesus said you shall not test the Lord your God.

If one tries to enter Heaven with sin in their life they are testing God to see if they can. No one has the assurance of Heaven unless they are joined to Christ.

This "preacher" is one of many the enemy is using to confuse and deceive concerning straight forward issues.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus said be perfect. He said only those who do the Fathers will are going to Heaven. Jesus said you shall not test the Lord your God.

If one tries to enter Heaven with sin in their life they are testing God to see if they can. No one has the assurance of Heaven unless they are joined to Christ.

This "preacher" is one of many the enemy is using to confuse and deceive straght forward issues.

You dint answer the question. Are you 100% obedient now?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You dint answer the question. Are you 100% obedient now?

Consider this. If I had a sin or sins in my life would that excuse anyone else? Of course not. It would just mean I who taught the truth of Bible Perfection either was a hypocrite or simply failed God.

Everyone else who might then mock me would still be fully accountable to doing Gods will.

When we ARE doing Gods will on a regular basis does that make us something great? Super spiritual?

Luke 17:7-10

7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle , will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat ?8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup , and gird thyself , and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken ; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink ?9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say , We are unprofitable servants : we have done that which was our duty to do .