Abortion and the Lib Conscience (Lack Thereof)

[deacon blues]

An MSNBC personality, Toure Neblett spoke about how abortion "saved his life" on the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade:

Touré:.. This week brought us the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade and made me reflect on a moment from 15 years when I was in a committed relationship with a woman who I knew was just not the one. She also knew it probably wasn't going to work out and then she got pregnant, and I was terrified. I have always known the importance of family and building kids into strong adults and I know I would not be who I am if not for growing up under the watchful eye of two people who loved me and loved each other. I knew that pregnant woman and I were not going to be able to form a lasting family. She decided it was best to have an abortion and days later she did, we did, and in some ways that choice saved my life. I was not then smart enough or man enough to build a family or raise a child, and I only would have contributed to making a mess of three lives. Years after that I met another woman, married her, and after we decided to get pregnant, I went to her doctor's appointments, our doctor's appointments, with joy. It was a thrill to watch that boy grow inside her, but I must admit during that second trimester as we watched him move around on 3-D sonograms I saw how human and they were my life long belief in abortion rights was – let's say – jostled... It was life colliding with belief system... I had to rethink my position, but in the end I remain committed to being pro-choice because I cannot imagine arguing against a woman's right to control her body – and thus – her life. I believe in, as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote, “a woman's autonomy to determine her life's course.”

Yes, there is a reasonable and unsolvable medical debate about when exactly life begins, but I find something undeniably misogynist about the impulse to deny a woman's dominion over her own body and limit her ability to shape her life – and impose another sense of morality on her. Family building is at the heart of nation-building, and taking away the ability to choose means the ability to build lasting families is challenged. Richard Florida finds the higher a state's abortion rate, the lower its divorce rate. But even though abortion is legal, ever since Roe was passed the right has been working not just to overturn it, but also to constrain it. Today was the 40th annual March for Life in D.C – and 87% of counties there are no abortion providers and in several states it's nearly impossible to get an abortion. In over the past two years 130 laws have been enacted restricting abortion rights and curbing the number of abortion providers. I want abortion to be legal, safe, and rare, but restricting access makes it rare for the wrong reason and drives many women to self-administered abortions that endanger their lives and their reproductive future... In a nation where 40% of children are born to unwed mothers, we are hurting our nation by making family planning harder. I thank God and country that when I fell into a bad situation, abortion was there to save me and keep me on a path toward building a strong family I have now – and I pray that safety net remains in place. People who have children when they're prepared leads to stronger children, stronger families, and thus stronger adults and a stronger America.

This is Exhibit A for what's wrong with the liberal movement. It's self indulgent and self absorbed. Look at his whole rationale. He was in a "committed relationship" (liberal for sexual) with a girl he "knew" wasn't the one. Then what the heck is he doing having sex with the girl? How many "committed relationships" did the guy have before getting married? I'm sure that makes his wife feel pretty secure that he can have a "committed relationship" with someone he knows he isn't going to remain with.

Translation: "I was such a selfish jerk I couldn't handle a kid ruining my professional aspirations." And I'm sure this will make his children thankful that they didn't suffer the consequence of their brother/sister and they happened to get conceived at a time that was convenient for daddy. Why must the unborn carry the burden for the consequences of our selfish actions?

Those that believe in abortion have to convince themselves the baby is not human. This is the same method the Nazis used to convince themselves that it was amoral to murder millions of Jews during the Holocaust. They taught that Jews were evolved from rats.

The one bright spot in the statement is his listing of all of the restrictions on abortion and 87% of the counties in the US Not having an abortion provider. Thank God for all of the hard work the pro-life movement has done the past 40 years.

[scotty]

Nailed it.

[MawMaw]

The one bright spot in the statement is his listing of all of the restrictions on abortion and 87% of the counties in the US Not having an abortion provider. Thank God for all of the hard work the pro-life movement has done the past 40 years.

Amen! In the state of MS there is only one abortion clinic
and it is, hopefully, about to be closed!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

An MSNBC personality, Toure Neblett spoke about how abortion "saved his life" on the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade:




This is Exhibit A for what's wrong with the liberal movement. It's self indulgent and self absorbed. Look at his whole rationale. He was in a "committed relationship" (liberal for sexual) with a girl he "knew" wasn't the one. Then what the heck is he doing having sex with the girl? How many "committed relationships" did the guy have before getting married? I'm sure that makes his wife feel pretty secure that he can have a "committed relationship" with someone he knows he isn't going to remain with.

Translation: "I was such a selfish jerk I couldn't handle a kid ruining my professional aspirations." And I'm sure this will make his children thankful that they didn't suffer the consequence of their brother/sister and they happened to get conceived at a time that was convenient for daddy. Why must the unborn carry the burden for the consequences of our selfish actions?

Those that believe in abortion have to convince themselves the baby is not human. This is the same method the Nazis used to convince themselves that it was amoral to murder millions of Jews during the Holocaust. They taught that Jews were evolved from rats.

The one bright spot in the statement is his listing of all of the restrictions on abortion and 87% of the counties in the US Not having an abortion provider. Thank God for all of the hard work the pro-life movement has done the past 40 years.

Yep, it's ALL about HIM.

[Aquila]

It is a very selfish position that he is taking.

However, many conservative libertarians would also argue that (for good or bad) a woman's body is under her sovereign dominion and authority.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It is a very selfish position that he is taking.

However, many conservative libertarians would also argue that (for good or bad) a woman's body is under her sovereign dominion and authority.

They can argue all they want, but standing before God those who chose to take another life will be punished.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

They can argue all they want, but standing before God those who chose to take another life will be punished.

Agreed.

But the question is... Does the GOVERNMENT have the authority to essentially deny a woman's sovereign authority over her body and FORCE her to give birth???

Any society that can force you to give birth at the barrel of government's gun... can force you to abort by the same barrel.

For the libertarian... it's about limiting the power of government over sovereign human beings. And yes... all must answer to God.

Use your liberty wisely.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Agreed.

But the question is... Does the GOVERNMENT have the authority to essentially deny a woman's sovereign authority over her body and FORCE her to give birth???

Any society that can force you to give birth at the barrel of government's gun... can force you to abort by the same barrel.

For the libertarian... it's about limiting the power of government over sovereign human beings. And yes... all must answer to God.

Use your liberty wisely.

How is anyone forced to give birth by the government? Why is the government even in the equation?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Cindy

How is anyone forced to give birth by the government? Why is the government even in the equation?

Essentially, Libertarians fear the Pro-Life movement's assumption that abortion should be banned and those procuring abortion should be prosecuted. This equates to governmental seizure of pregnant women and the government forcing them to give birth. The Libertarian believes that such a difficult decision involving your body, your sovereign person, is between you and your God.

Liberty is often risky... make decisions wisely. The government isn't qualified to make such decisions. It shouldn't hold the power to force a pregnant woman to give birth... nor should it hold the power to force a pregnant woman to abort.

In my mind... the government's funding of abortion is the problem. No man should be forced to pay for something that has nothing to do with securing the boarders, protecting liberty, or protecting property if it is absolutely against his or her conscience.

[Aquila]

The issue isn't so much abortion's legality. For me the issue is paying for abortions with tax payer dollars.

Women procure abortions. Abortions aren't forced by any government body. The onus is on individual women.