From Tim Downs..

onefaith2 · #1 04-27-2011, 02:11 PM

Tim Downs
Top 4 Things that are ABSOLUTES for Great church Growth - (1.) Change your service to Sunday at 2:00 pm (2.) Quit playing the new carnal music (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people. WHICH OF THESE FOUR ARE YOU DEAD SET AGAINST CHANGING and you will know why your not reaching your city.

He baptizes and witness to many people.

What to you think?

Carnal Music: I am a Friend of God, Dancing Generation, etc.

his new church plant

www.Atlantahopecenter.com

a related site
www.answeredhere.com

Justin · #2 04-27-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Tim Downs
Top 4 Things that are ABSOLUTES for Great church Growth - (1.) Change your service to Sunday at 2:00 pm (2.) Quit playing the new carnal music (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people. WHICH OF THESE FOUR ARE YOU DEAD SET AGAINST CHANGING and you will know why your not reaching your city.

He baptizes and witness to many people.

What to you think?

Carnal Music: I am a Friend of God, Dancing Generation, etc.

his new church plant

www.Atlantahopecenter.com

a related site
www.answeredhere.com

Does that apply only during services or everywhere, (i.e, his website.

)

Kidding.

MissBrattified · #3 04-27-2011, 02:20 PM

There's a disconnect when people take what works for them in their community and assume that it will work everywhere. The principles of a charitable, approachable, evangelistic, compassionate church can be applied everywhere, but the exact applications will (and should) vary.

I don't see what modern worship music has to do with anything.

Dark Energy · #4 04-28-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

There's a disconnect when people take what works for them in their community and assume that it will work everywhere. The principles of a charitable, approachable, evangelistic, compassionate church can be applied everywhere, but the exact applications will (and should) vary.

I don't see what modern worship music has to do with anything.

There is also a problem with attributing revival with something you did.

For example, he changed service to 2PM, got rid of the new music, did outreach every day and learned to love and discipline people all at the same time. It may just be the outreach every day part is what did it and the rest had no effect whatsoever

onefaith2 · #5 04-28-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Energy

There is also a problem with attributing revival with something you did.

For example, he changed service to 2PM, got rid of the new music, did outreach every day and learned to love and discipline people all at the same time. It may just be the outreach every day part is what did it and the rest had no effect whatsoever

No he just started his church.. these are things he learned from about 5 years on the evangelistical field where they posted totals of around 8 thousand people baptized in their revivals.

deltaguitar · #6 04-27-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Tim Downs
Top 4 Things that are ABSOLUTES for Great church Growth - (1.) Change your service to Sunday at 2:00 pm (2.) Quit playing the new carnal music (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people. WHICH OF THESE FOUR ARE YOU DEAD SET AGAINST CHANGING and you will know why your not reaching your city.

He baptizes and witness to many people.

What to you think?

Carnal Music: I am a Friend of God, Dancing Generation, etc.

his new church plant

www.Atlantahopecenter.com

a related site
www.answeredhere.com

The church I go to sings doctrinally correct songs. They had to go to six services and had already outgrown the current building before it was finished. The services are at 5pm and 7pm Saturday and 9am and 11:15 on Sunday mornings. They usually turn away hundreds on Sunday morning. They do not advertise the church or any of the programs (in fact there are no programs), there is no organized outreach or church growth plan in place yet they have been deeded over 10 million in church facilities by two other churches who wanted them to take over.

The lead pastor is dead set against building a mega church but with 12,000 on the weekends they don't know what to do about space issues. As of now, the plan is to focus on church plants and seven have been planted so far.

Last month 280,000 was given to missions.

I really don't think church growth methods are the way to go. Preach the gospel and feed christ sheep and the people will show up.

http://www.sermoncentral.com/article...owing-Churches

Apocrypha · #7 04-28-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The church I go to sings doctrinally correct songs. They had to go to six services and had already outgrown the current building before it was finished. The services are at 5pm and 7pm Saturday and 9am and 11:15 on Sunday mornings. They usually turn away hundreds on Sunday morning. They do not advertise the church or any of the programs (in fact there are no programs), there is no organized outreach or church growth plan in place yet they have been deeded over 10 million in church facilities by two other churches who wanted them to take over.

The lead pastor is dead set against building a mega church but with 12,000 on the weekends they don't know what to do about space issues. As of now, the plan is to focus on church plants and seven have been planted so far.

Last month 280,000 was given to missions.

I really don't think church growth methods are the way to go. Preach the gospel and feed christ sheep and the people will show up.

http://www.sermoncentral.com/article...owing-Churches

Thats pretty awesome, whos your pastor/church?

deltaguitar · #8 04-28-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Thats pretty awesome, whos your pastor/church?

The Village in Flower Mound, Tx. Matt Chandler is the pastor.

crakjak · #9 04-29-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The church I go to sings doctrinally correct songs. They had to go to six services and had already outgrown the current building before it was finished. The services are at 5pm and 7pm Saturday and 9am and 11:15 on Sunday mornings. They usually turn away hundreds on Sunday morning. They do not advertise the church or any of the programs (in fact there are no programs), there is no organized outreach or church growth plan in place yet they have been deeded over 10 million in church facilities by two other churches who wanted them to take over.

The lead pastor is dead set against building a mega church but with 12,000 on the weekends they don't know what to do about space issues. As of now, the plan is to focus on church plants and seven have been planted so far.

Last month 280,000 was given to missions.

I really don't think church growth methods are the way to go. Preach the gospel and feed christ sheep and the people will show up.

http://www.sermoncentral.com/article...owing-Churches

So you go to The Village???

unitedpraise10 · #10 04-27-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Tim Downs
Top 4 Things that are ABSOLUTES for Great church Growth - (1.) Change your service to Sunday at 2:00 pm (2.) Quit playing the new carnal music (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people. WHICH OF THESE FOUR ARE YOU DEAD SET AGAINST CHANGING and you will know why your not reaching your city.

He baptizes and witness to many people.

What to you think?

Carnal Music: I am a Friend of God, Dancing Generation, etc.

his new church plant

www.Atlantahopecenter.com

a related site
www.answeredhere.com

How is this song carnal, it's scripture. James 2:23