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Old 01-19-2009, 10:00 PM
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Repentance necessary for salvation

if works is anything you can do then repentance is a work. Some might argue then that repentance is not necessary.

These verses might say other wise

Is Repentance a work? is someone saved before repenting?

Luk 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be proclaimed in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Repentance and remission of sins are tied together

Act 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."
Repentance that leads to life

2Co 7:10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
that leads to salvation

2Ti 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:03 PM
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Re: Repentance necessary for salvation

Repentance just means a change of mind; a change of direction. Leaving Satan's kingdom and entering Jesus' kingdom through confession of sins and turning your back on your old way of life. So yes, it is necessary for salvation. It's the whole essence of becoming a Christian.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:05 PM
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Re: Repentance necessary for salvation

And now we have scriptural support..how about that? Isn't that neat?
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  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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Re: Repentance necessary for salvation

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And now we have scriptural support..how about that? Isn't that neat?
Do you really think anyone on here would say that repentance is NOT necessary for salvation?
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if works is anything you can do then repentance is a work. Some might argue then that repentance is not necessary.

These verses might say other wise

Is Repentance a work?
When people speak of "work(s)" in the context of salvation they are usually referring to the writings of Paul and/or James. In those writings, "work(s)" always refers to the works of the Law - with the possible exception of including Christian charitable works as well.

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is someone saved before repenting?
Yes. Ephesians 1:4-6. If you are to be saved in eternity, then you were saved "before the foundation of the world." Presumably Prax, that was well before you or I were even born.

And your insight in the passages you cite reveals keenness of mind.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:13 PM
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When people speak of "work(s)" in the context of salvation they are usually referring to the writings of Paul and/or James. In those writings, "work(s)" always refers to the works of the Law - with the possible exception of including Christian charitable works as well.


Yes. Ephesians 1:4-6. If you are to be saved in eternity, then you were saved "before the foundation of the world." Presumably Prax, that was well before you or I were even born.

And your insight in the passages you cite reveals keenness of mind.
I agree i refers to the works of the law, but when it is cited to them it's just works meaning "anything you can do yourself" to them.
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Re: Repentance necessary for salvation

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When people speak of "work(s)" in the context of salvation they are usually referring to the writings of Paul and/or James. In those writings, "work(s)" always refers to the works of the Law - with the possible exception of including Christian charitable works as well.


Yes. Ephesians 1:4-6. If you are to be saved in eternity, then you were saved "before the foundation of the world." Presumably Prax, that was well before you or I were even born.

And your insight in the passages you cite reveals keenness of mind.
Repentance toward God is turning toward God. Absolutely necessary for salvation.

BTW: All church doctrines are just another system of law. Little different from the Law of Moses. No flesh has ever been or ever will be justified by the deeds of the law.
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Re: Repentance necessary for salvation

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
That only applies to the guys killed by Pilate and those who had the tower of Siloam fall on their heads.
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That only applies to the guys killed by Pilate and those who had the tower of Siloam fall on their heads.
Did you take Hermeneutics under GT Haywood?
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