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Old 07-11-2008, 05:31 AM
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Why Apostolic women wear veils Pt 1

A biblical answer to why Apostolic women wear veils

1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered,G2596 G2776 dishonoureth his head.
G2596 κατά kata
Total KJV Occurrences: 378 ( Used only once of 378 as covered)
covered, 1
1Co_11:4
Thayer Definition:
1) down from, through out
2) according to, toward, along

The Main theme of Corinthians 11 is about divine order in prayer and prophesying. How God wants obedience and subjection in contrast to rebellion and disorder. Just as Christ himself was subject to God so man should be subject to Christ. Not my will but thine be done. Man made in the image and glory of God has no other superior on this earth yet he subjects himself to Gods divine ordinances. God has put all things under his feet. Man must first take his place removing his head covering in respect to his superior when he approaches God or represents Him in prophesy(preaching). There can be nothing covering (kata-hanging down from) his head showing that he is being subject to anyone but God. This all refers back to Gen. 3.15-16. When woman takes her place by being in subjection to her head, the fallen angels are not able to work through her as Satan did through Eve. Satans seed are the rebellious angels that followed him. The woman shows that she is subject to her spiritual authority by covering her head. Her curse was that he/man would rule over her.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered G177 dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
G177 ἀκατακάλυπτος akatakaluptos
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
uncovered, 2
1Co_11:5, 1Co_11:13
unveiled: - uncovered. Strongs
Thayer Definition:
1) not covered, unveiled
Part of Speech: adjective

When a woman comes to pray without covering her head (akatakaluptos) she is showing insubordination. When she places a veil on her head she has power on her head and the ministering angels are able to operate seeing man and woman are following Gods order for them. If the woman doesn't cover her head in the spiritual sense it is such a shame as in the natural sense she were shorn or shaven. James gives us a picture of how satan can work if we are not humble and in subjection no matter what we say from our lips. We can pretend that everything is ok in the outward appearance but the spiritual unseen realm show strife (fighting) and envy (trying to be above another) and gives opening for confusion and evil to work.

Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered G2619, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
G2619 κατακαλύπτω katakaluptō
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
covered, 2
1Co_11:6 (2)
cover, 1
1Co_11:7
to cover wholly, that is, veil: - cover, hide. Strongs
Thayer Definition:
1) to cover up
2) to veil or cover one’s self

It is either wear a veil/covering or shave your head. Paul is not saying that your hair is your veil. If it is a shame to be shorn then cover/veil (katakulupto- cover wholly) your head. He is not saying saying put hair on your head or dont cut your hair. He specifically says shave which means he realizes that she already has hair on her head. He is not mentioning at this point how long her hair is. He later references that it is natural for a woman to have long hair and for a man to have short hair. He does not mention that men should shave their heads because their hair is too long and it might be seen as if they had a covering on their heads. This is not referring to the hair as being a covering. It is an external object to the body that is placed over the head.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover G2619 his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
(See above for same definition of G2619)

Now this gives the reasoning why man is not to cover his head. Man you see carries the authority of God as he was made in his image. He is not to put on anything that shows he is in subjection any longer. This is in regards to a veil or covering (katakalupto) as a woman wears covering completely over her head. The Jewish males wear a Yamika covering only the back of the head showing that they are always subject to God, but not a veil, turban, or hat when they worship or pray. It cannot hang down to infer subjection. Especially now that the Christian has been made free from the law and sin. He previously willingly subjected himself to disobedience and caused sin to enter in. This separated him from God and gave him a death sentence. Through one man sin entered in and through one man Jesus it was abolished by the grace of God.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:


1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power G1849 on her head because of the angels.
G1849 ἐξουσία exousia
Total KJV Occurrences: 103
power, 61- authority, 28- powers, 8- right, 2- authorities, 1 -jurisdiction, 1 -liberty, 1-strength, 1
Thayer Definition:
4d) a sign of the husband’s authority over his wife
4d1) the veil with which propriety required a women to cover herself
4e) the sign of regal authority, a crown

1Co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?G177 (See Above for Definition of G177)

Paul had used various arguments to show them the impropriety of their females speaking unveiled in public. He now appeals to their natural sense of what was decent and right, according to established and acknowledged customs and habits. Albert Barnes
a woman . . . unto God--By rejecting the emblem of subjection (the head-covering), she passes at one leap in praying publicly beyond both the man and angels [BENGEL]. Jamieson, Fausset, Brown JFB
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Re: Why Apostolic women wear veils Pt 1

YOU BETTER BREAK THAT SCRIPTURE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe it and will continue to believe in the headcovering/veil for women.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:35 PM
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Re: Why Apostolic women wear veils Pt 1

1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her for her hair is given her for a covering.

you can talk with paul if you think he is wrong.
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1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her for her hair is given her for a covering.
explain this scripture.
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explain this scripture.
What's to explain?
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What's to explain?
why did paul say the hair was the covering
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explain this scripture.
I already have explained it in part 2. How do you explain this?

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered G177 dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Is paul saying that if a woman prays or prophesies uncovered (without her hair) it is like she were shaven. No, I beleive that he realizes that she is coming to God to pray or prophesy/teach-preach with her hair but without a covering/veil. So he compares this (being without a veil) as being shaven. It would make no sense that he would say that if you come to pray without your hair it would be like you are shaven. He would be reiterating the same statement. If you come to pray without your hair it is like you have no hair.

This is a showing symbolically that she no longer wants to out of the will of God. She knows her place and is not trying to usurp the mans authority but is under submission to God by being under her husbands authority. This gives the woman alot of liberty to do Gods work as long as she understands that the devil used the womans pride to go above what God established with Adam. She doubted God and disobeyed him by disobeying the command he had given to Adam, her head or spiritual authority. Has God Said? or is Adam lying to you, in other words.

When God spoke he did so to Adam even though in some cases as in the curse he spoke to Eve as well. We know God spoke to Cain, Noah & his sons, Abraham, Issac, Jacob and the covenant he makes with them is believed by their wives and seed/offspring. The covenant is made to man and he is to repeat what God has spoken. They show that they are under submission by doing what God tells them. Eve also heard God and recognized his voice, Sarah heard God speaking to Abram and even laughed on one occassion but the covenants and commands were made to the man.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
.Gen 6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
Gen 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered G2619, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
G2619 κατακαλύπτω katakaluptō
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
covered, 2
1Co_11:6 (2)
cover, 1
1Co_11:7

Is Paul once again saying if a woman has no hair (not covered) let her shave it. When hair is inserted in this verse it makes no sense.

Now Paul recognizes the order of God and states it at the begining of this chapter (1 Cor. 11) In the verses 3-10 he is speaking of the spiritual significance of headship or spiritual authority. This is shown symbolically in prayer by the covering. The man uncovers his head in submission to God and the woman covers her head in submission to her authority(husband or father). The man has the authority to lead his family in receiving instruction from God and then relaying that message to his family. In verses 11-15 Paul switches to the natural world to give spritual understanding.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
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Re: Why Apostolic women wear veils Pt 1

We used to be part of part of this sect. The funky thing to me is that they still believe women can't cut their hair.

My question is what happens if a woman needs to call upon the name of the Lord in a car accident and don't have her veil on?

This is nothing more than Apostolic Assembly tradition tradition, yie de die die, yie de die die...traditiuuuuuuon tradition!!!

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Re: Why Apostolic women wear veils Pt 1

Well, if hair is the covering, make sure you pray BALD as a male because in the same passage it states that men must pray with their heads uncovered.

Like Paul, I say this "Verse 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God"
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Well, if hair is the covering, make sure you pray BALD as a male because in the same passage it states that men must pray with their heads uncovered.

Like Paul, I say this "Verse 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God"
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
If you think that a women needs another covering then she better not ever take it off.
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