Who then can be lost?

[Steve Epley]

Jesus after teaching was asked "Who then can be saved." Mt.19:25 But on AFF then question is who can be lost. Baptism not essential, tongues a maybe, suck cigarettes and have the HGB, church attendance optional, no tithe paying, pastor is an abomination. Nothing is essential and anything is okay. It is impossible to be lost.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus after teaching was asked "Who then can be saved." Mt.19:25 But on AFF then question is who can be lost. Baptism not essential, tongues a maybe, suck cigarettes and have the HGB, church attendance optional, no tithe paying, pastor is an abomination. Nothing is essential and anything is okay. It is impossible to be lost.

Elder, I am reading the handwritting on the wall, and it says.....


Carlton Pearson was here

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus after teaching was asked "Who then can be saved." Mt.19:25 But on AFF then question is who can be lost. Baptism not essential, tongues a maybe, suck cigarettes and have the HGB, church attendance optional, no tithe paying, pastor is an abomination. Nothing is essential and anything is okay. It is impossible to be lost.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Elder, I am reading the handwritting on the wall, and it says.....

Carlton Pearson was here

St Matt, you seem to take it that Steve Epley's post was made in jest. However, from the crankiness of his tone lately I would tend to take him more seriously.

So again I must ask - who ever said "Nothing is essential...?" And I really haven't ever seen anyone say that any "pastor is an abomination."

Methinks, the good elder has self-esteem issues that he needs some help with.

Perhaps if he were converted to the view that he can never do enough to be saved, and that his salvation rests entirely in the fact that God loves him for who he is, perhaps he would feel better about himself and others around him.

You don't deserve salvation, Mr. Epley. You didn't earn it and you cannot possibly work hard enough to maintain it. Your salvation is in Jesus Christ and the work that Jesus Christ alone can do for you.

It seems that whenever you forget this fact you tend to lash out at those around you with absurd accusations and taunts. Trust in Jesus Christ.

See John 1:29; John 12:32; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Revelation 5:9.

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by pelathais

St Matt, you seem to take it that Steve Epley's post was made in jest. However, from the crankiness of his tone lately I would tend to take him more seriously.

So again I must ask - who ever said "Nothing is essential...?" And I really haven't ever seen anyone say that any "pastor is an abomination."

Methinks, the good elder has self-esteem issues that he needs some help with.

Perhaps if he were converted to the view that he can never do enough to be saved, and that his salvation rests entirely in the fact that God loves him for who he is, perhaps he would feel better about himself and others around him.

You don't deserve salvation, Mr. Epley. You didn't earn it and you cannot possibly work hard enough to maintain it. Your salvation is in Jesus Christ and the work that Jesus Christ alone can do for you.

It seems that whenever you forget this fact you tend to lash out at those around you with absurd accusations and taunts. Trust in Jesus Christ.

See John 1:29; John 12:32; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Revelation 5:9.

You mean to say that some of us have been cumbered about with much serving and that it was all for NOTHING???? You mean we can't POSSIBLY do enough good works to earn salvation???? You mean that our inability to live perfect flawless sin free lives does NOT mean that all of us are really doomed to the lake of fire? You HONESTLY expect us to BELIEVE that??? COME ON GET REAL!
Next thing you'll be telling us is that the Just shall by.....what.............FAITH??????

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

You mean to say that some of us have been cumbered about with much serving and that it was all for NOTHING???? You mean we can't POSSIBLY do enough good works to earn salvation???? You mean that our inability to live perfect flawless sin free lives does NOT mean that all of us are really doomed to the lake of fire? You HONESTLY expect us to BELIEVE that??? COME ON GET REAL!
Next thing you'll be telling us is that the Just shall by.....what.............FAITH??????

Enjoying your epiphany?

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Enjoying your epiphany?

Actually YES I AM! I can't begin to tell you how wonderful it is to dump all the fear and doubt and just realize that CALVARY WORKS because of JESUS not because of my ability to implement this point or that point! Kind of like if you try and keep the law but offend in one POINT you are guilty of it all! Thank God I have a saviour! And NO I have NOT thrown away ANY of the principles of Godly living that the Word Of God contains, but have come to realize that they are IDEALS that we may or may NOT reach in this life and just like Paul, after preaching and teaching them I COUNT NOT ****MYSELF**** to have apprehended or acheived that IDEAL failure free existence yet, BUT THIS ONE THING I DO DO....***FORGETTING**** the things that are past (All the failures of yesterday) I still am shooting for the ideal. BUT I will NO LONGER obsess on that, beat myself OR OTHERS up over that.

There is a Pastor in California who God used to bring me back to that very FIRST love, and he is incredible! We were talking about a half a year ago now and he asked me "Do you know how Pharaoh determined the value of a slave???? By how many BRICKS he could produce! But the value of a son is determined by HOW MUCH HIS FATHER LOVES HIM AND NOTHING ELSE!!!! Our probelm is that so many of us are SLAVES cranking out bricks trying to display our value to God and so few are SONS just feeling free to walk up to our Dad and throw our arms around his neck, kiss it and whisper Dad I sure do Love you, and then just bask in HIS wonderful and freely given and certainly UNDESERVED LOVE" And I will tell you in a flash it all fell off of me! All the fear that the Lord would come and I wouldnt be ready, all the self inflicted loathing that I just wasn't doing enough or perfect enough, and ...oh yeah this is SO COOL!

He ( the pastor) brought out this question, "Do you know WHY God chose David King of Israel????? David tells us himself, "Because He LIKED ME!!!!" And you know My God LIKES me! My father LOVES me , and I love him and NO ONE is going to have the right any more to intrude into that sacred relationship and tell ME that I am or am NOT right with my God based on their ignorant and idiotic idiosyncrasies! Preach the WORD and I will listen and pray that God help me to implement it in my life, but no more of this ....krap about belt buckles or wedding rings or mustaches or christmas trees or or or!!! It simply AINT gonna happen anymore! I am NO LONGER A SLAVE I AM A SON OF GOD so................................................ .........................

***NO MORE BRICKS!!!!**************************************


What an EPIPHANY huh?! Its great and my walk with God has never been closer better or more enjoyable ! He WILL finish the work he has begun in me its a done deal! Calvary Works!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus after teaching was asked "Who then can be saved." Mt.19:25 But on AFF then question is who can be lost. Baptism not essential, tongues a maybe, suck cigarettes and have the HGB, church attendance optional, no tithe paying, pastor is an abomination. Nothing is essential and anything is okay. It is impossible to be lost.

Brother Epley, the way I look at it is that we are ALL spirutally and morally bankrupt. We all are lost. But for the Grace of God. At least that is how I feel about myself.

I choose not to engage in sin because it separates my communion with the Lord and the preservation of my family, not because an organization says this or that is a sin. I cannot rely on the moral foundations of any group that has preservation as its foremost priority.

I want to please God, but I know in my flesh, there is absolutely no way.


...sounds kind of counterintuitive doesn't it?

[Ron]

Elder, you are too old fashioned and exclusive!
My God is big enough for every one!

Why there will probably be Hindus there after thier third or fourth reincarnation!

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus after teaching was asked "Who then can be saved." Mt.19:25 But on AFF then question is who can be lost. Baptism not essential, tongues a maybe, suck cigarettes and have the HGB, church attendance optional, no tithe paying, pastor is an abomination. Nothing is essential and anything is okay. It is impossible to be lost.

You forgot, booze at communion.....oops...sorry elder for meddling

Love ya man!

[RandyWayne]

Some people can't handle their sacred cows challenged. To say that someone who smoked my -be saved, is met with a mighty "so all Muslims and followers of mighty Isis are as well huh?!" rebuke.