sins remitted at baptism? or...

berkeley · #1 12-04-2007, 06:09 PM

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
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And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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Praxeas · #2 12-04-2007, 07:25 PM

ESV Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
A non baptismal regenerationalists admits the grammar could imply salvation by baptism

A.T. Robertson
By baptized (baptisai). First aorist middle (causative), not passive, Get thyself baptized (Robertson, Grammar, p. 808). Cf. 1Co_10:2. Submit yourself to baptism. So as to apolousai, Get washed off as in 1Co_6:11. It is possible, as in Act_2:38, to take these words as teaching baptismal remission or salvation by means of baptism, but to do so is in my opinion a complete subversion of Paul’s vivid and picturesque language. As in Rom_6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way (Act_22:10). Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

Praxeas · #3 12-04-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

ESV Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
A non baptismal regenerationalists admits the grammar could imply salvation by baptism

A.T. Robertson
By baptized (baptisai). First aorist middle (causative), not passive, Get thyself baptized (Robertson, Grammar, p. 808). Cf. 1Co_10:2. Submit yourself to baptism. So as to apolousai, Get washed off as in 1Co_6:11. It is possible, as in Act_2:38, to take these words as teaching baptismal remission or salvation by means of baptism, but to do so is in my opinion a complete subversion of Paul’s vivid and picturesque language. As in Rom_6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way (Act_22:10). Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

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Steve Epley · #4 12-04-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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I was speaking of his opinion here and in Acts 2:38.

Praxeas · #5 12-04-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I was speaking of his opinion here and in Acts 2:38.

Forget his opinion though. This is a greek scholar saying that both verses can grammatically support the essentiality of baptism for salvation....he does not color that being against baptism for salvation. That is what is interesting

Michael The Disciple · #6 12-04-2007, 10:56 PM

Somehow there must be remission of sins in BOTH repentance and water baptism. Someone now tell us how.

Sam · #7 12-04-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Forget his opinion though. This is a greek scholar saying that both verses can grammatically support the essentiality of baptism for salvation....he does not color that being against baptism for salvation. That is what is interesting

Well, to paraphrase a great preacher, Bro. Bill Clinton, "it just depends on what the meaning of the word for is."

staysharp · #8 12-04-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
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And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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freeatlast · #9 12-04-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
-------------------------
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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Berkeley, you have come to the right place for answers to that question....I predict you shall recieve many of them.

Sort thru them and pick out the one you like.

Sam · #10 12-04-2007, 08:30 PM

Isn't water baptism only a symbolic washing away or cleansing from sin like communion is a symbolic flesh and blood of Jesus?