A Personal Message to all of My Conservative Friends

[Nahum]

From MOW's Thread:

The Admins have been in a discussion on the subject of making a clearer definition of what we mean on AFF when we say Apostolic. If we were a ministry, we would need a clearer definition of where we stand. But this is a fellowship, a discussion board - it is not a ministry - it is a place where people can come and have good clean fellowship. We want to allow for discussion within the broader range of what it means to be Apostolic. Therefore we have put this together with the approval of the Owners and Admin.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins, and that Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.

I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

Catch a fish or two while you are under there...assuming theres water of course.

Careful,

Bridges are collapsing without any apparent reason for it.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Careful,

Bridges are collapsing without any apparent reason for it.

True, that.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

Help me understand you...are you saying the information age is serving as a cure to the "Borg Mentality"? :sshhh

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Help me understand you...are you saying the information age is serving as a cure to the "Borg Mentality"? :sshhh

that is exactly what I mean to say. In times past information was so localized, an individuals only means of discovery was trying to find a local individual they could.
A) Trust
B) knowledgeable enough to open the scriptures

Lets face it this was not an easy task... All the commentaries at that time where big time dollars...

In this manner the "elevated" "ordained" pastors could pretty much say whatever they wanted in an unchallenged manner...

Today, anyone can join a forum, and with anonymity ask any question they want:
hair
make up
dresses
pants
baptism
godhead

and get a great deal of intelligent responses. They can look at any translation they want, read any commentary they want, Google a plethora of written essays and studies, on just about any subject they want...

This age of information, and its ease of accessibility is pressuring ultra cons. They no longer can rely on the unavailability of sound, and logical opinions to protect them... for they are ever available.

This is putting the crunch on ultra cons...

J-Roc, how many ultra cons have you seen show signs of change? Think about it... I can think of several, (without naming names) and those who would not... (Miller, Henderson...etc...) drifted away into silence and oblivion...

Change is on the horizon and sound information is the catalyst!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The above cannot be said of every conservative church. Therefore the above statement is agenda driven. Again the UC is portrayed as the cave dwelling Neanderthal.

I never said "cave dwelling Neanderthal" those are your words

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is your idea of truth?

the Word of God... without the traditions of men.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So I guess that the holiness movements throughout history were just a bunch of dumb hill billies?

No, not all of them... Some great men, some not so great.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Charismatic liberals produce tantrums, outbursts. Hey, this is an equal opportunity forum.


Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Nice label... it always makes an ailing ultra con feel good when he can call someone "charismatic" - call away... will you can... I'll bid you a "adieu" as you sail of into the sunset...

[Michael The Disciple]

Two quick comments:

On the outward dress standards like no beards and no trimming for sisters I did not need others on the net to open my eyes to this error. Ever since starting to read scripture I never noticed that anywhere. So the net is not responsible for saints refusing an unscriptural yoke. Its the scriptures themselves.

Although the net is the ultimate in transmitting ideas. Perhaps it was/is the best hope for Jesus name people to come to really be an Apostolic Church.

Secondly as far as the banning of Daniel by Matt if it was over his thread with the questionable/push the edge title Im thinking of cheers for Matt! A few more titles allowed like that and I would be gone myself.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Two quick comments:

On the outward dress standards like no beards and no trimming for sisters I did not need others on the net to open my eyes to this error. Ever since starting to read scripture I never noticed that anywhere. So the net is not responsible for saints refusing an scriptural yoke. Its the scriptures themselves.

Although the net is the ultimate in transmitting ideas. Perhaps it was/is the best hope for Jesus name people to come to really be an Apostolic Church.

Secondly as far as the banning of Daniel by Matt if it was over his thread with the questionable/push the edge title I'm thinking of cheers for Matt! A few more titles allowed like that and I would be gone myself.

I still do not understand exactly what Daniel did.