House of Isaac: The Natural and Spiritual Israel

[CalledOut238]

If you follow the righteous seed of Adam through the patriarchs, we see a pattern for the natural and spiritual. Beginning at the lineage of Jesus in Luke 3:23-38. But understanding promises and covenants in both exclusivity; and in broader context, is a necessity to distinguish who they pertain too.

Luke 3:36 (KJV)Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, 37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

We know that Enoch had such a close walk with our Heavenly Father that he took him without seeing death. But it would be his righteous grandson that would save the natural seed and a covenant instituted.

Genesis 9:8(KJV) And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, 9 And I, behold, (I establish my covenant with you), and (with your seed after you);

Our Heavenly Father foretold of Abraham’s seed blessing ALL NATIONS. This was a reference to his natural seed; and spiritual seed of faith, blessing all nations. In the time of Christ; the children of Israel had been scattered throughout the earth, because of their unbelief and idolatry. But our Savior is faithful to his word and promises.

Genesis 22:17 (KJV) That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 (And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.)

Deuteronomy 4:31 (KJV)For the LORD thy God is a merciful God; he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

There are many who readily accept that the spiritual seed is faith in Christ. But they do not understand the natural seed of Abraham. But it has always been the plan of our Loving Heavenly Father to reunite his family in earth as it is heaven.

Jeremiah 31:27 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

“There are eight different Hebrew and Greek words, behemah, b'iyr, ziyz, chay, cheyva', trephah, nephesh, and ktenos, are all translated into the one English word "beast", but they each have different meanings in the original Hebrew and Greek languages which were lost in the translation into English.” The Hebrew word "behemah" [H929] is translated 136 times as "beasts" and 57 times as "cattle". It describes "beasts" who can cry mightily to God, who can turn away from evil, who wear sackcloth. Each of these tribes had peoples who were bond servants and as slaves to serve the societies. Each of these tribes had peoples; who were infidels, that had turned to idolatrous worship. Beasts was a term used to reflect these pagan tribes.

Jonah 3:8 (KJV) But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

Zechariah 8:10 (KJV) For before these days there was no hire for man, nor any hire for beast; neither was there any peace to him that went out or came in because of the affliction: for I set all men every one against his neighbour.

Jeremiah 31:27 shows they House of Israel and Judah would be sowed among the remaining Semitic, Japhetic and Hamitic tribes. Releasing the generational curses of tribes of peoples. To let each induvial; stand and give account, after entering the new covenant. This shows our Fathers plan; (As Husband), to sacrifice himself for the divorced tribes of Israel and Judah after they had been sowed among all peoples. To break the curse of fallen man and for all nations to have access to the new covenant.

Mat 26:28 (KJV) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This is what Paul was referring to that a testament has to have the testator to die to be in effect. Israel was to testify to the world of our Creator, but they failed. So he gave them another opportunity because now they were among the strangers who needed Him. It is a beautiful Love Story and has nothing to do with replacement theology.

Hebrew 9:16 (KJV) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Our Heavenly Father; through Christ, is fulfilling his promise to his children that he would bless all nations who would receive his word. Just as Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses preserved the natural seed while being the examples for the spiritual seed of faith. The tribes of Israel were never lost, but their names changed by conquering nation’s historians.

James 1:1 (KJV) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Our Heavenly Father and the Apostles knew where the tribes of Israel where in their day. Our Savior waited for the day of Pentecost before coming to his Children in the Power of his Spirit. The Book of Acts tells us the locations and names of the nations where the children of Israel had been dispersed into the earth. Some honoured their forefathers by adhering to the customs of the old covenant while others had forgotten their history.

Act 2:8: And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia(Turkey), 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 3:29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The real problem understanding the natural seed and its relationships with the other nations is the misapplication of the Hebrew word gowy: nation, people. By adding other meanings; like heathen or gentiles, it throws off the reader to see how the Lord is bringing all nations back through his spiritual and natural seed. The spiritual; or messianic seed through Judah, and the natural seed being blessed through the remaining tribes of Israel. If you believe that Noah is the progenitor of our current generations then race is a myth and ethnicity and micro evolution adaption is scientifically verified. The free radical anomalies of environment, food and air borne pathogens can shape varying appearances in ethnicities and cultures of the nations (or Gentiles). Remember Abraham was a Gentile.

Genesis 12:2 (KJV) And I will make of thee a great nation(gowy), and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing

gôwy, go'-ee; rarely (shortened) gôy, apparently from the same root as H1465(in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile!

Christ was the promised King in Ezekiel 37; who fulfilled the progression of eternal through the Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic and Mosaic, and Davidic covenants. Finishing the promises He made to the patriarchs of faith that their seed would be blessed. Now all people can have salvation through our Messiah. By being born again of the water and spirit we are sealed with his spirit. We are all one people; in the natural and spiritual, walking with our Creator and Savior.

Gen 49:10 (KJV) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and (unto him shall the gathering of the people be.)

1 Chronicles 5:1(KJV) Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. 2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; (but the birthright was Joseph's.)

But Ezekiel foretold of a heavenly Israel being reunited by a new covenant. Where there would be no divisions and the design of our Heavenly Father completed.

Ezekiel 37:19 (KJV) Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Isa 66:22 (KJV)For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, (shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.)

Because the Body of Christ is the true Israel; both naturally and spiritually. We now understand that the construct of race was created to divide people, so they cannot come into the unity of one spirit. Different tribes, ethnicity and cultures are the natural diversity of our Creator. For all his children to be one family; and one blood, was our Heavenly Fathers’ plan from the very beginning.

Acts 17:26 (KJV) And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;


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[Apostolic1ness]

"Because the Body of Christ is the true Israel; both naturally and spiritually"

I like you post but...isn't this replacement theology?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

"Because the Body of Christ is the true Israel; both naturally and spiritually"

I like you post but...isn't this replacement theology?

The children of Isaac are heirs. In the context of Galatians, that is referring to the church. Natural Jews were called the children of Hagar.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by berkeley

The children of Isaac are heirs. In the context of Galatians, that is referring to the church. Natural Jews were called the children of Hagar.

you may need to provide scripture for this claim "Natural Jews were called children of Hagar". As far as I know no Jews were called the children of Hagar.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

you may need to provide scripture for this claim "Natural Jews were called children of Hagar". As far as I know no Jews were called the children of Hagar.

Gal 4:24

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Gal 4:24

Bro. it's talking about the two covenants nowhere does it classify the Children of Hagar as "natural Jews" Paul says in Gal2:15 including himself as being a Jew by nature. He was a natural Jew because he was ....of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews..Phil 3:5 Children of Hagar were not Jews in any form.

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

"Because the Body of Christ is the true Israel; both naturally and spiritually"

I like you post but...isn't this replacement theology?

Matthew 15:24 (KJV) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Christ declared that he had come for the lost sheep of Israel. Paul declared that the Messiah came to the tribe of Yehuda first and then to the Diaspora of the tribes.

Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew (Yehuda) first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Replacement theology is a derivative of dispensational teaching. In truth this is a progression of promises from the patriarchs to Christ. I know these scriptures are very familiar to most but sometimes we miss the obvious. The church was started with the Yehudite, Benjaminite and the other children of Israel visiting for the Feast of Harvest or the Feast of Weeks. So how can you replace those of the tribe of Yehudah, Benjamin and the other tribes of Israel when they were the first to receive the promise?

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

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[Apostolic1ness]

A related word “Yehudain” (Strongs #3062) only occurs in the books of Daniel and Ezra (written about 530BC and 440BC respectively). So the most robust answer to our question, “When did the Hebrews or Israelites become known as Jews?” is from about 600BC.

Originally, the word referred to members of the tribe of Judah, but later it described anyone from the kingdom of Judah. This would include those from the northern kingdom of Israel who moved to Judah, including Mordecai’s ancestors. Also, as those who returned after the exile settled in Judea, they were called Jews regardless of their ancestoral tribe. In the New Testament, the words, “Hebrews”, “Israelltes”, and “Jews” are used interchangeably to describe the descendants of Jacob (Jn. 4:9; 2 Cor. 11:22). And this is the case today – the words “Hebrews”, “Israelltes”, and “Jews” are used as synonyms.

In 722 BC, Samaria was conquered by the Assyrians and the Israelites were dispersed into surrounding nations (2 Ki. 17). As they assimilated and now have no national identity, they are known as the “Ten Lost Tribes of Israel”. However, they weren’t all lost because some remained in Israel and some moved to Judah (2 Chron. 15:9; 35:18).

In 605 BC and 598 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah and in 586 B.C. Jerusalem was destroyed. Many of the Jews were taken to exile in Babylon. When the Persians conquered Babylon in 538 BC, the Persian King Cyrus permitted the Jews to return to their homelands and many returned to Judah. After the Babylonian exile, “Jew” replaced “Israelite” as the most widely-used term for these survivers. This was because, by that time, virtually all Israelites were descendants of the kingdom of Judah. Also, the Jewish religion was known as Judaism.

After Jerusalem was rebuilt, Judea was ruled by the Greeks, Egyptians, Syrians and Romans. Although the terms “Hebrew” and “Israelite” continued in use into the New Testament period (Rom. 9:4; 2 Cor. 11:22; Phil. 3:5), by then the term “Jew” was more commonly used. At His death, the Romans referred to Jesus as the “king of the Jews” (Mt. 27:37). georgesjournal.net

From what I understand the term "Jew" originally was speaking of the tribe of Judah and descendants of that tribe, then over time It encapsulated all the tribes of Israel and all who observed the Law, Judaism.

Paul understood that he was a "Jew" even if from the tribe of Benjamin. He was of the tribes of Israel and was an observer of Judaism.

was Jesus the King of the only Judah or did they have the understanding even in their mockery the Jews were more than the tribe of Judah?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

A related word “Yehudain” (Strongs #3062) only occurs in the books of Daniel and Ezra (written about 530BC and 440BC respectively). So the most robust answer to our question, “When did the Hebrews or Israelites become known as Jews?” is from about 600BC.

Originally, the word referred to members of the tribe of Judah, but later it described anyone from the kingdom of Judah. This would include those from the northern kingdom of Israel who moved to Judah, including Mordecai’s ancestors. Also, as those who returned after the exile settled in Judea, they were called Jews regardless of their ancestoral tribe. In the New Testament, the words, “Hebrews”, “Israelltes”, and “Jews” are used interchangeably to describe the descendants of Jacob (Jn. 4:9; 2 Cor. 11:22). And this is the case today – the words “Hebrews”, “Israelltes”, and “Jews” are used as synonyms.

In 722 BC, Samaria was conquered by the Assyrians and the Israelites were dispersed into surrounding nations (2 Ki. 17). As they assimilated and now have no national identity, they are known as the “Ten Lost Tribes of Israel”. However, they weren’t all lost because some remained in Israel and some moved to Judah (2 Chron. 15:9; 35:18).

In 605 BC and 598 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah and in 586 B.C. Jerusalem was destroyed. Many of the Jews were taken to exile in Babylon. When the Persians conquered Babylon in 538 BC, the Persian King Cyrus permitted the Jews to return to their homelands and many returned to Judah. After the Babylonian exile, “Jew” replaced “Israelite” as the most widely-used term for these survivers. This was because, by that time, virtually all Israelites were descendants of the kingdom of Judah. Also, the Jewish religion was known as Judaism.

After Jerusalem was rebuilt, Judea was ruled by the Greeks, Egyptians, Syrians and Romans. Although the terms “Hebrew” and “Israelite” continued in use into the New Testament period (Rom. 9:4; 2 Cor. 11:22; Phil. 3:5), by then the term “Jew” was more commonly used. At His death, the Romans referred to Jesus as the “king of the Jews” (Mt. 27:37). georgesjournal.net

From what I understand the term "Jew" originally was speaking of the tribe of Judah and descendants of that tribe, then over time It encapsulated all the tribes of Israel and all who observed the Law, Judaism.

Paul understood that he was a "Jew" even if from the tribe of Benjamin. He was of the tribes of Israel and was an observer of Judaism.

was Jesus the King of the only Judah or did they have the understanding even in their mockery the Jews were more than the tribe of Judah?

This is how I understand it. I did a word search in the KJV for Jews, and it had 82 hits in the OT and 175 in the NT.

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

A related word “Yehudain” (Strongs #3062) only occurs in the books of Daniel and Ezra (written about 530BC and 440BC respectively). So the most robust answer to our question, “When did the Hebrews or Israelites become known as Jews?” is from about 600BC.

This filled with so many inaccuracies I really don’t have the time to address them all. You do realize there is huge flaw in your analysis. The ancients would have no idea what you are talking about since the letter J was not created until the late 15-16th century. Your error in the genesis of the term Jew is as bad as comparing Judaism to Hebraism. Maybe you will trust the Jewish encyclopedia of the amalgamation of this term Jew but knowing your cynicism I doubt it. Beside translational references do you have a scripture where God changed their names to Jews like he did Abram and Jacob? Most books that use this term are reprints after the 16th century when the term Jew replaces pervious spellings in literary works.

“Up to the seventeenth century this word was spelled in Middle English in various ways: "Gyu," "Giu," "Gyw," "Iu," "luu," "Iuw," "Ieu," "Ieuu," "Ieuz," "Iwe," "Iow," "Iewe," "Ieue," "lue" ("Ive"), "Iew," "Jew." All these forms were derived from the Old French "Giu," which was earlier written "Juieu," derived from the Latin accusative "Judæum" with the elision of the letter "d." The Latin form "Judæus" was derived from the Greek 'Iουδαĩοσ; and this in turn from the Aramaic , corresponding to the Hebrew a gentilic adjective from the proper name "Judah," seemingly never applied to members of the tribe, however, but to members of the nationality inhabiting the south of Palestine (Jer. xliii. 9).”

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...1-jew-the-word

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

In 605 BC and 598 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah and in 586 B.C. Jerusalem was destroyed. Many of the Jews were taken to exile in Babylon. When the Persians conquered Babylon in 538 BC, the Persian King Cyrus permitted the Jews to return to their homelands and many returned to Judah. After the Babylonian exile, “Jew” replaced “Israelite” as the most widely-used term for these survivers. This was because, by that time, virtually all Israelites were descendants of the kingdom of Judah. Also, the Jewish religion was known as Judaism.

When the Yehudah captives returned to Jerusalem from Babylon they did make copies of the Torah. But because no document containing God's Word could be destroyed, they were stored, or buried in hiding places. Therefore we have no original Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament today. What we have is the square script Niqqud Masoretic texts. “The oldest copies of the Masoretic Text only date back to the 9-10th century, nearly 1000 years after the time of Christ.” Discrepancies can be found between the Septuagint and the Dead Sea scrolls when comparing to the Masoretic texts. As far as the Talmud and Judaism that came much later.

http://arizonaorthodox.com/masoretic...iginal-hebrew/

Of course Judaism will claim they are practicing Hebraism to propel the myth. But the Tradition of the elders was not written down until after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi (in English "Judah, the Prince") was born eighty years after the destruction of the Second Temple. The oral Halakha existed around the 2nd century. Between 170-200 CE the Oral Law called the Mishnah was formalized.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...dah-the-prince

The Gemarah is a compilation of the various rabbinic discussions on the Mishnah. “The surrounding text of today's Talmud also quotes Rishonim, literally "the first ones," rabbinic authorities (from c. 1,000 C.E. until 1,500 C.E.) who predated Rabbi Joseph Caro, the 16th century author of the code of Jewish law known as the Shulchan Aruch. Among the most prominent Rishonim are Rashi, his students and descendants who were the chief authors of the Tosafos, Maimonides and Nachmanides.”

http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48948646.html

Bottom line your whole premise comes from dispensational teachings and that Word of God is infallible. True the scriptures were written by men under the unction the Holyghost; but the translations, not so much. That is why we must have the Word Written on our hearts and minds to help guide us through scriptures today. That is why you have so many Christian sects and divisions today! Because they do not have the Holyghost to guide them in prayer and the Word.

Back to my question that you never answered.

So how can it be a replacement theology when the of the tribe of Yehudah, Benjamin and the other tribes of Israel were the first to receive the promise in the book of Acts?


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