Is This an Attempt to Control Your Pulpit?

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Back in the formation of the AMF the UPC was taking men's license illegally according to the manual then placing their names with the guys had their license pulled for committing adultery. Elder Burr said his name was between 2 adulterers. That was 40 years ago nothing new. The District Supts. made it up as they went.

Thanks Bro. E....this is what i have been saying. This has been practiced for years.

To be honest...before it was done to me I always thought "under question" meant "adultery" or something worse....but then I found out that "under question" really means they got a beef with you, they don't even need proof, and their biggest concern is to drag your name through the mud and keep any UPC guy from preaching for you or visa versa....LOL

[SDG]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

LOL...BTW...as for me there was no flagrant violation of anything...but I am doomed forever "under question".....that is the final word about me in my UPC file at headquarters....

Are you ministering or pastoring now? And if you choose to answer, where?

You don't have answer the last question if you are concerned about privacy.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Are you ministering or pastoring now? And if you choose to answer, where?

You don't have answer the last question if you are concerned about privacy.

Yes...I pastor the same church and we are having a time! God has been very good to my wife and I. Our church is growing and we are really experiencing his presence and power.

I don't mind PMing my church....

Pastor Brett of Grace is my Pastor and the Chairman of my Elder Board...

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

These two paragraphs are the additions.

(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.

(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.

This is an addition to the manual. As others have pointed out, it seems someone is attemptiing to define what "under question" and "unbecoming conduct" means.

This is very vague and open to interpretation. A rogue District could eliminate many ministers who they deemed questionable because of the entire liberal/conservative, tv or not tv debate.

[pelathais]

Good for you T1! I hope you and your wife prosper (have a successful journey) even as your souls do prosper.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is an addition to the manual. As others have pointed out, it seems someone is attemptiing to define what "under question" and "unbecoming conduct" means.

This is very vague and open to interpretation. A rogue District could eliminate many ministers who they deemed questionable because of the entire liberal/conservative, tv or not tv debate.

It seems then that this type of resolution should be shelved until the fallout of Res. 6 clears ... if not whatever the result could lead to "witch" trials immediately after ...

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is an addition to the manual. As others have pointed out, it seems someone is attemptiing to define what "under question" and "unbecoming conduct" means.

This is very vague and open to interpretation. A rogue District could eliminate many ministers who they deemed questionable because of the entire liberal/conservative, tv or not tv debate.

Exactly...I think more clarification would be good...if you are going to leave the manual the way it is and not take the clause out altogether...

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Good for you T1! I hope you and your wife prosper (have a successful journey) even as your souls do prosper.

Thank you very much! I receive that good word spoken over us!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It seems then that this type of resolution should be shelved until the fallout of Res. 6 clears ... if not whatever the result could lead to "witch" trials immediately after ...

Dan, have you ever been in one of those "witch trials?" I sat in a presbyter's office in front of his 3 witnesses as he yelled at me, "I'm tired of this...!"

I asked him, "Tired of what? What specifically is the charge and what do you propose as the remedy?"

"I'm just tired of all this!" he said and swept his hand in the air above his desk.

"You're tired of your desk?" I ask (sealing my doom). True story - I'd give you the names of the witnesses right here if BOOM would allow it.

The Judicial Procedure specifically states: 1) A charge must be named. And, 2) A Remedy must be proposed.

When I insisted we follow the manual and come up with a charge for me, my elder simply said that I was "hindering revival.." Today his church doesn't hardly even exist anymore - and we were running 200+ when he threw me out. When it got to the District Board I just told them that I was through with the UPCI.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Dan, have you ever been in one of those "witch trials?" I sat in a presbyter's office in front of his 3 witnesses as he yelled at me, "I'm tired of this...!"

I asked him, "Tired of what? What specifically is the charge and what do you propose as the remedy?"

"I'm just tired of all this!" he said and swept his hand in the air above his desk.

"You're tired of your desk?" I ask (sealing my doom). True story - I'd give you the names of the witnesses right here if BOOM would allow it.

The Judicial Procedure specifically states: 1) A charge must be named. And, 2) A Remedy must be proposed.

When I insisted we follow the manual and come up with a charge for me, my elder simply said that I was "hindering revival.." Today his church doesn't hardly even exist anymore - and we were running 200+ when he threw me out. When it got to the District Board I just told them that I was through with the UPCI.

If your former Presbyter was tired in dealing w/ those under him he needed to re-tire.

"Hindering revival" ... NOW THAT'S RICH!!!!

Well ... Another one bites the dust!!!!