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08-30-2018, 11:04 PM
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Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
OK so far we have found 63 gospels of Matthew without a trinitarian text ending.
I started the collection back in 1999 with just 1 gospel of Matthew which committed the trinitarian ending, but little by little we have been able to find many more.
so this means that I am not alone in saying that the original Matthew read "in My name" instead of the triune phrase.
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08-31-2018, 05:39 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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OK so far we have found 63 gospels of Matthew without a trinitarian text ending.
I started the collection back in 1999 with just 1 gospel of Matthew which committed the trinitarian ending, but little by little we have been able to find many more.
so this means that I am not alone in saying that the original Matthew read "in My name" instead of the triune phrase.
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Where are the 63 manuscripts? I would like you to post where we can see the fragments of Papyrus, or whatever you have available as physical evidence. It is puzzling that your first post is just making a baseless claim. Like, “63 Unicorns have been found at the end of the rainbow.” Where are the Unicorns? We are happy for your excitement. But, you can’t expect us to be excited without credible, tangible, evidence of manuscripts.
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08-31-2018, 07:32 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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Where are the 63 manuscripts? I would like you to post where we can see the fragments of Papyrus, or whatever you have available as physical evidence. It is puzzling that your first post is just making a baseless claim. Like, “63 Unicorns have been found at the end of the rainbow.” Where are the Unicorns? We are happy for your excitement. But, you can’t expect us to be excited without credible, tangible, evidence of manuscripts.
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You can't tell me unicorns don't exist. lol
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08-31-2018, 10:58 PM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Where are the 63 manuscripts? I would like you to post where we can see the fragments of Papyrus, or whatever you have available as physical evidence. It is puzzling that your first post is just making a baseless claim. Like, “63 Unicorns have been found at the end of the rainbow.” Where are the Unicorns? We are happy for your excitement. But, you can’t expect us to be excited without credible, tangible, evidence of manuscripts.
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I second this, where are they? Are they Greek, Syriac, Coptic, or Traders Village? If they exist, I'm unaware. Admittedly though I am a novice on the different kinds of manuscripts and their datings, styles, unicals, etc. I just don't have the patience or interest to get too deep into that particular field. However, a claim like "63 manuscripts" demands tangible evidence if not explicit proof, or it means absolutely nothing.
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09-01-2018, 12:21 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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I second this, where are they? Are they Greek, Syriac, Coptic, or Traders Village? If they exist, I'm unaware. Admittedly though I am a novice on the different kinds of manuscripts and their datings, styles, unicals, etc. I just don't have the patience or interest to get too deep into that particular field. However, a claim like "63 manuscripts" demands tangible evidence if not explicit proof, or it means absolutely nothing.
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My conjecture is that, if the claim is true, it simply means that more copies of the middle ages Shem Tov Evan Bohan (The Touchstone), an anti-missionary Hebrew polemic that included his ultra-corrupt Matthew, were found.
However, he did not speak of manuscripts.
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OK so far we have found 63 gospels of Matthew without a trinitarian text ending.
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So he might be including things like 20th and 21st century Gospels written by people who did not include the traditional ending (which is not trinitarian, it is simply scripture than actually is a linch pin of apostolic doctrine.)
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09-01-2018, 11:16 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
This whole argument is based on conjecture. Did Eusebius really mean that Matthew 28:19 omitted the traditional ending? No, but was emphasizing the true meaning of the verse. As One God Apostolics the traditional ending is more important to us than to the Trinitarian. Because it doesn't just say in His name. But that it shows the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost all being one in the same. Also those who believe that Matthew was originally penned in Hebrew not only to bring doubt to Matthew but to the whole New Testament.
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08-31-2018, 07:24 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
There are zero Greek manuscripts of the book of Matthew with a variant reading of Mt. 28:19. No not one.
There may have been at one time. But there none in existence today.
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08-31-2018, 07:54 AM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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There are zero Greek manuscripts of the book of Matthew with a variant reading of Mt. 28:19. No not one.
There may have been at one time. But there none in existence today.
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Saying maybe at one time cannot be used as a source. There were Dinosaurs at one time. We can say that because we have tangible, physical evidence. So, 63 what exactly?
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12-17-2018, 09:34 PM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
OK we have now passed over 65 gospels of Matthew we have found without the Trinitarian formula. the more research we do, the more the numbers increase.
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12-17-2018, 09:35 PM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending
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OK we have now passed over 65 gospels of Matthew we have found without the Trinitarian formula. the more research we do, the more the numbers increase.
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List them, please.
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