Equally saved: But not equal

thephnxman · #1 05-16-2015, 09:35 AM

EQUALLY SAVED: BUT NOT EQUAL

A man can be like Jesus, for we were "...predestined to be conformed to the image of His son...".
Not that WE are predestined as sons and daughters; but Jesus was predestined to be
our salvation and we are predestined to be saved IN HIM! And it is in His anointing in which
we are anointed. But no other man can be Jesus, for no one else could die for the sins of
man: and no man can be the vicar of Christ, for no man can take His place.

Men and women are NOT equals. Man is man, and woman is woman: each one according to
their nature, and calling. However, when the Lord looks upon the Church, as we pray and worship
before Him, He DOES NOT see the individuals: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither
bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YOU ARE ALL ONE
in Christ Jesus."
In other words, He sees only the Church, and the gifts of the Spirit as they should operate in
her! The same can be said for the Ministry. We are not ALL apostles, or
prophets, etc.
But the Lord "...gave some to be apostles; and some,prophets; and some, Evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers." So when Jesus looks upon the Ministry, He sees only ONE Ministry,
and the operation in which each man is called. No Minister is greater than another, but we
complement one another in Him.

Yet, did you know that the children are to be served at the table? And they are waiting to be
served...by the Ministry! So if you are called a child of God, REJOICE! However, if you are called
into the Ministry, then be ready to divest yourself of the son's clothing and be dressed upon
with the attire of a servant!

Are you a man? Love your wife.
Are you a woman? Submit to YOUR OWN husband and no other man.
Are you a Christian? Obey the Lord.
Are you part of the Church? Share the TRUE Gospel.
Are you a Minister? Serve the Church.

Be satisfied in your calling: be faithful in your ministration.

Monterrey · #2 05-16-2015, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

EQUALLY SAVED: BUT NOT EQUAL

A man can be like Jesus, for we were "...predestined to be conformed to the image of His son...".
Not that WE are predestined as sons and daughters; but Jesus was predestined to be
our salvation and we are predestined to be saved IN HIM! And it is in His anointing in which
we are anointed. But no other man can be Jesus, for no one else could die for the sins of
man: and no man can be the vicar of Christ, for no man can take His place.

Men and women are NOT equals. Man is man, and woman is woman: each one according to
their nature, and calling. However, when the Lord looks upon the Church, as we pray and worship
before Him, He DOES NOT see the individuals: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither
bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YOU ARE ALL ONE
in Christ Jesus."
In other words, He sees only the Church, and the gifts of the Spirit as they should operate in
her! The same can be said for the Ministry. We are not ALL apostles, or
prophets, etc.
But the Lord "...gave some to be apostles; and some,prophets; and some, Evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers." So when Jesus looks upon the Ministry, He sees only ONE Ministry,
and the operation in which each man is called. No Minister is greater than another, but we
complement one another in Him.

Yet, did you know that the children are to be served at the table? And they are waiting to be
served...by the Ministry! So if you are called a child of God, REJOICE! However, if you are called
into the Ministry, then be ready to divest yourself of the son's clothing and be dressed upon
with the attire of a servant!

Are you a man? Love your wife.
Are you a woman? Submit to YOUR OWN husband and no other man.Are you a Christian? Obey the Lord.
Are you part of the Church? Share the TRUE Gospel.
Are you a Minister? Serve the Church.

Be satisfied in your calling: be faithful in your ministration.

This is true unless you are in some churches then you submit to the pastor regardless of who you are!!! Man or woman....

Michael The Disciple · #3 05-16-2015, 02:52 PM

God does not see individuals?

thephnxman · #4 05-16-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

This is true unless you are in some churches then you submit to the pastor regardless of who you are!!! Man or woman....

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord." (Eph. 5:22)

Beloved, it is not true "unless"...it is true regardless! The pastor should not ask a woman
to do anything without first consulting with her husband, and THEN ask the husband to ask
if his wife if she's available. More than that, and it's a spirit of adultery that's looking for a breach!

There's a reason why the younger women (novices) should be taught of the "...aged women..."!

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." (Col. 3:18)

thephnxman · #5 05-16-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

God does not see individuals?

You're right. I should have qualified that part.

Of course God "sees and hears" individuals: He makes no exception of persons. But it pleases Him, and
it His will, to see the Church come together as ONE.

"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with ONE accord in ONE place."

KeptByTheWord · #6 05-17-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

You're right. I should have qualified that part.

Of course God "sees and hears" individuals: He makes no exception of persons. But it pleases Him, and
it His will, to see the Church come together as ONE.

"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with ONE accord in ONE place."

I think a likely comparison would be a forest made up of trees. Each tree is an individual, but all the individual trees come together to make up one forest. I believe this is the comparison you were trying to make. God does see each one of us as individuals, but He also desires to see us as a collective body (or forest) working and doing His will in this world we live in.

KeptByTheWord · #7 05-17-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

EQUALLY SAVED: BUT NOT EQUAL

A man can be like Jesus, for we were "...predestined to be conformed to the image of His son...".
Not that WE are predestined as sons and daughters; but Jesus was predestined to be
our salvation and we are predestined to be saved IN HIM! And it is in His anointing in which
we are anointed. But no other man can be Jesus, for no one else could die for the sins of
man: and no man can be the vicar of Christ, for no man can take His place.

Men and women are NOT equals. Man is man, and woman is woman: each one according to
their nature, and calling. However, when the Lord looks upon the Church, as we pray and worship
before Him, He DOES NOT see the individuals: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither
bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YOU ARE ALL ONE
in Christ Jesus."
In other words, He sees only the Church, and the gifts of the Spirit as they should operate in
her! The same can be said for the Ministry. We are not ALL apostles, or
prophets, etc.
But the Lord "...gave some to be apostles; and some,prophets; and some, Evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers." So when Jesus looks upon the Ministry, He sees only ONE Ministry,
and the operation in which each man is called. No Minister is greater than another, but we
complement one another in Him.

Yet, did you know that the children are to be served at the table? And they are waiting to be
served...by the Ministry! So if you are called a child of God, REJOICE! However, if you are called
into the Ministry, then be ready to divest yourself of the son's clothing and be dressed upon
with the attire of a servant!

Are you a man? Love your wife.
Are you a woman? Submit to YOUR OWN husband and no other man.
Are you a Christian? Obey the Lord.
Are you part of the Church? Share the TRUE Gospel.
Are you a Minister? Serve the Church.

Be satisfied in your calling: be faithful in your ministration.

I love the fact that you have highlighted that being a minister does not mean being served, but rather, it means being the servant. That mentality is lost in most churches today. Beautiful words highlighting this truth!

KeptByTheWord · #8 05-17-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

This is true unless you are in some churches then you submit to the pastor regardless of who you are!!! Man or woman....

I grew up in a church and heard it taught MANY TIMES that the pastor's authority supersedes that of the husband. Women were counseled (over the pulpit no less) to obey the pastor over their husband.

GISG · #9 05-17-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I grew up in a church and heard it taught MANY TIMES that the pastor's authority supersedes that of the husband. Women were counseled (over the pulpit no less) to obey the pastor over their husband.

That is the polar opposite of the Pastor I sat under for many years in the UPCI. He said NO man has the right to tell another man's wife what to do!
I learned a lot just from that teaching.

thephnxman · #10 05-18-2015, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GISG

That is the polar opposite of the Pastor I sat under for many years in the UPCI. He said NO man has the right to tell another man's wife what to do!
I learned a lot just from that teaching.

"...and the man is the head of the woman...".

Please note that Jesus (in the singular) is the head of EVERY (plural) man, but the man (singular) is the head
of the woman (singular)!
How this: Any man who ALLOWS another man to be the head of his wife "...dishonors his head...": and ANY
man that allows another man to be his head, save the Lord, "...dishonors his head..."!

That is not to say that we dishonor the Ministry.