Justification By Faith by Oswald Chambers

[crakjak]

"If when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Romans 5:10).

I am not saved by believing--I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me--repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus. The danger here is putting the emphasis on the effect, instead of on the cause. Is it my obedience, consecration, and dedication that make me right with God? It is never that! I am made right with God because, prior to all that, Christ died. When I turn to God and by belief accept what God reveals, the miraculous atonement by the Cross of Christ instantly places me into a right relationship with God. And as a result of the supernatural miracle of God's grace I stand justified, not because I am sorry for my sin, or because I have repented, but because of what Jesus has done. The Spirit of God bring justification with a shattering, radiant light, and I know that I am saved, even though I don't know how it is accomplished.

The salvation that comes from God is not based on human logic, but on the sacrificial death of Jesus. We can be born again solely because of the atonement of our Lord. Sinful men and women can be changed into new creations, not through their repentance or their belief, but through the wonderful work of God in Christ Jesus which preceded all of our experience (see 2 Corinthians 5:17-19). The unconquerable safety of justification and sanctification is God Himself. We do not have to accomplish these things ourselves--they have been accomplished through the atonement of the Cross of Christ. The supernatural becomes natural to us through the miracle of God, and there is the realization of what Jesus Christ has already done--It is finished!' (John 19:30).

Sometimes folks speak the truth throught the inspiration of the Holy Spirit without realizing the fullnes of what they speak. In other words, I did not know that Oswald Chambers believed in the greater hope of all mankind.

[Steve Epley]

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"If when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Romans 5:10).

I am not saved by believing--I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me--repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus.

Wrong.

Luk 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


WHAT DOES PERISH MEAN?

G622
ἀπόλλυμι
apollumi
ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

Some will Perish, since they did not repent. And PERISH implies nothing about temporary punishment, but to destroy fully. Repentance saves from perishing.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

You don't get out much do you, brother?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wrong.

Luk 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


WHAT DOES PERISH MEAN?



Some will Perish, since they did not repent. And PERISH implies nothing about temporary punishment, but to destroy fully. Repentance saves from perishing.

I appreicate your much more merciful end of the majority of mankind, but I believe God is much more effective in His saving of those created in His image. God is not punitive, that is a characteristic of fallen man, it is not about punishment, it is about correction.

Luke 13:3 Is referring to a temporal perishing, not permanent annihilation. Those folks will be resurrected with the wicked dead, so it is not permanent. Why raise them just to annihilate them again?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

You know what Jesus was referring to; that unless they believed on Him they would likewise physically die in the destruction coming in 70 AD. He goes on to lament over Jerusalem toward the end of that very chapter.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

Oswald Chambers is a Trinitarian, who wrote the book "My Utmost For His Highest," which would be his most popular. Other than that he is as lost as Joseph Smith and William Branham.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Neck]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"If when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Romans 5:10).

I am not saved by believing--I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me--repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus. The danger here is putting the emphasis on the effect, instead of on the cause. Is it my obedience, consecration, and dedication that make me right with God? It is never that! I am made right with God because, prior to all that, Christ died. When I turn to God and by belief accept what God reveals, the miraculous atonement by the Cross of Christ instantly places me into a right relationship with God. And as a result of the supernatural miracle of God's grace I stand justified, not because I am sorry for my sin, or because I have repented, but because of what Jesus has done. The Spirit of God bring justification with a shattering, radiant light, and I know that I am saved, even though I don't know how it is accomplished.

The salvation that comes from God is not based on human logic, but on the sacrificial death of Jesus. We can be born again solely because of the atonement of our Lord. Sinful men and women can be changed into new creations, not through their repentance or their belief, but through the wonderful work of God in Christ Jesus which preceded all of our experience (see 2 Corinthians 5:17-19). The unconquerable safety of justification and sanctification is God Himself. We do not have to accomplish these things ourselves--they have been accomplished through the atonement of the Cross of Christ. The supernatural becomes natural to us through the miracle of God, and there is the realization of what Jesus Christ has already done--It is finished!' (John 19:30).

Sometimes folks speak the truth throught the inspiration of the Holy Spirit without realizing the fullnes of what they speak. In other words, I did not know that Oswald Chambers believed in the greater hope of all mankind.

Weather you believe in Justification "Just by faith" or Justification "By putting your faith into action and following Christ in his actions, Death-Burial-Resurrection"

On either side the Justification takes faith.

The side to lean on is God said their is no remission of sin, without the shedding of Blood.

Now Jesus could have told his followers.

When the men take me and put me on the cross.

Before the nails are struck I will step down.

You must have faith that I would have shed my blood.

Since I am God I do not have to do go through the actual suffering.

In as much Christ died for us. so we should follow him!

I found it so much "work" to ask the Lord to forgive me, arise and get Baptized and then feel his spirit speak through me.

I sure am glad it was Jesus who was the Savior and not the "Justified just by faith believers"!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oswald Chambers is a Trinitarian, who wrote the book "My Utmost For His Highest," which would be his most popular. Other than that he is as lost as Joseph Smith and William Branham.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I don't believe you can establish a traditional Trinitarian view from his writings, so why judge him so harshly?? Besides Jesus came to seek and to save the LOST, so being lost is not the end.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe you can establish a traditional Trinitarian view from his writings, so why judge him so harshly?? Besides Jesus came to seek and to save the LOST, so being lost is not the end.

The Lord love you CJ, I'm just stating a fact Oswald missed it and therefore he will suffer the penalty of rejecting the truth. Being dead and lost is the END.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Weather you believe in Justification "Just by faith" or Justification "By putting your faith into action and following Christ in his actions, Death-Burial-Resurrection"

On either side the Justification takes faith.

The side to lean on is God said their is no remission of sin, without the shedding of Blood.

Now Jesus could have told his followers.

When the men take me and put me on the cross.

Before the nails are struck I will step down.

You must have faith that I would have shed my blood.

Since I am God I do not have to do go through the actual suffering.

In as much Christ died for us. so we should follow him!

I found it so much "work" to ask the Lord to forgive me, arise and get Baptized and then feel his spirit speak through me.

I sure am glad it was Jesus who was the Savior and not the "Justified just by faith believers"!

I will quote Oswald again; "The danger here is putting the emphasis on the effect rather than the cause."

Neither I nor Oswald, in any way suggested that the "shedding of blood" was unnecessary, to the contrary it is because of the blood of Jesus that man is reconciled to God.

Romans 5:18-19: "Therefore, AS one trespass led to condemnation for ALL men, so one act of righteousness lead to justification and life for ALL men." It is so clear, just as ALL men were condemned by Adam's sin, ALL men are in the same manner reconciled to God by Jesus blood. Were all condemned by Adam's sin? Don't you believe the blood of Jesus is as powerful as Adam's sin? Condemnation was cast on all mankind without any action on man's part, we were all born with it.....likewise.....Good to hear from you Neck.