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10-01-2007, 10:24 PM
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Would an exit of Ultra Cons make the UPC more appealing to outsiders and ex-UPCers?
What do you think? Will it make the UPC as a whole are more "friendly" org?
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-01-2007, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What do you think? Will it make the UPC as a whole are more "friendly" org?
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Is the UPC not friendly?
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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10-01-2007, 10:26 PM
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What do you think? Will it make the UPC as a whole are more "friendly" org?
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My hope and prayer.
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10-01-2007, 10:27 PM
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I don't think the Org will really change at all as a whole...maybe some hotspots like UC California will see an impact....but at the same time, there will be enough UCs stay to keep it about the same...IMO.
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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10-01-2007, 10:30 PM
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What do you think? Will it make the UPC as a whole are more "friendly" org?
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Somehow, IMO, the question seems similar to "Do you still beat your wife?"
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10-01-2007, 10:31 PM
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Somehow, IMO, the question seems similar to "Do you still beat your wife?"
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Ok, will it make it seem more welcoming to those that previously felt it was unwelcoming. Obviously we have had a number of UPC members leave in the past that felt the org was too imposing etc etc
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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What do you think? Will it make the UPC as a whole are more "friendly" org?
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I would say "yes" - HOWEVER, I'm picturing a scenario where those with extreme attitudes and extreme "standards" are gone and not all of them would necessarily be considered "UC's."
So basically, to be honest, I am saying if the UPC could be just the way I like it- then I'd be happy with it. But when I say that out loud I end up sound rather shallow, even to myself. We need a complex mix of people.
The movement does need to mature. We need to get over all of the cranky and silly things that hold us back. Just google the phrases "UPC" and "cult." All of the examples of wackiness that come up are so-called UC's trying to enforce their standards. And none of the "offenders" are in the UPC any longer.
What does that tell you? It tells me that "the world" and Evangelical Christianity in general has developed their generally negative opinions of the UPC based not upon the UPC itself, but upon the fringe UC.
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10-01-2007, 10:38 PM
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Time will tell. It should definitely make it more unified than in recent years.
If the conservatives and my prediction comes true and this is the beginning of the UPC moving away from the leglaism I believe a UPC church strong on Acts 2:38 but moving away from the extrabiblical legalism could experience a true revival and see a lot of people baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Spirit.
As it stands now most UPCers are either born into it or from such desperate gross sin that the extra biblical leglaism is either something they have been around all their life or they come from lives so unstructured they welcome the over correction as a safety net that is a visible guage of their change and standing with God. Doesn't even require you to think!
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10-01-2007, 10:45 PM
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Ok, will it make it seem more welcoming to those that previously felt it was unwelcoming. Obviously we have had a number of UPC members leave in the past that felt the org was too imposing etc etc
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Yes. I think the recent events hold hope for a possibility of revisiting a core foundational purpose being a ministerial alliance. IMO, the "letter" has been used in such a way as to create a quasi-denomination. That trend is probably at least on hold while KH has a majority/confidence vote.
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10-01-2007, 10:47 PM
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My hope and prayer.
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Looks like I should clarify my answer.
I think many hardliners appear unfriendly because of their radical stances on issues.
The idea that someone is going to toast in hell because of sleeve length, viewing moving pictures, or their nonconformity to precise dress code and hairstyle is not only unfriendly and appalling to those outside the UPC - many on the inside are also disgusted with it.
Whether these attitudes will be shed from the UPC anytime soon is anyones guess.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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