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Old 09-11-2007, 06:55 PM
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The Frustration of Anticipation
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I must confess at the risk of sounding too real that there are days I find myself in agreement with Bono of the Band U2 by humming the lyrics to his song “I still haven’t found what I’m looking for”. This symptom seems to be rooted in an emotion I’ve begun to describe as the “Frustration of Anticipation


In the last few months, we have been receiving calls, emails, letters and visits from ministers literally around the world expressing this same sentiment. We are anticipating something we cannot seem to articulate or explain. It’s as if the Holy Sprit has planted a seed in the womb of the Church and we have yet to birth what we know is a “New Thing”!


This anticipation of the inexplicable is causing a sense of urgency and frustration by those that have paid a price to leave old systems and paradigms, yet still have not found what their looking for. This is especially frustrating to goal-oriented visionaries who are accustomed to a proactive approach to life and ministry. One of the key elements of successful people is there proactive ability to be self-starters. Most of those who will read this article are visionaries who live with one foot in the future. I would even venture to say that there are times many of us step into our vision of the future and live in a manner that is confusing to those who cannot see what we see. How many times have you prayed as the prophet of old “Lord, open their eyes that they may see that those that are with us are much more than that against us”?


Others of us are more missional in our approach to life and ministry. ….meaning we are not as quick to get excited about what some would call unrealistic dreams, as we seem more prone to anchor our talents and dreams to a particular mission or calling. One of the new buzzwords today in ministry is missional. A missionary personality has a very clear goal that one will spend years of time, energy, and money investing into accomplishing and fulfilling a pre-determined mission statement. I have yet to meet a successful person in life or ministry that was not either purpose driven, a visionary or both!


Therefore, one can understand how frustrating it would be for a visionary to stop being able to see clearly into the future. For many of us accustomed to “visioneering” as Andy Staley calls it seems as if the light has gone out! When a visionary loses sight of the future, it is as if the heavens have gone dark. In the same sense when a missionary loses their sense of purpose and direction, it’s as if the compass of their spirit is broken. Yet it seems men and women of God all over the world are experiencing this frustrating season in their lives. We are groping in the dark and straining our eyes for a glimpse of the shore in the the midst of a season of transition. Nothing old and comfortable seems to work and we haven’t quite finished discovering the new tools and talents for our prophetic fulfillment. We are reaching and praying for something that is inexplicable yet undeniable in our spirit! Many of you have left old paradigms, systems, and denominations, and for what? Are you asking yourself if you even have a future? Did you even hear from God in the fist place or better yet, does God even speak anymore? What is the Lord doing? Is he through with you?


Could it be that God is speaking, and we are having a hard time understanding because it’s being communicated in a way we have never interpreted before. In the days of Noah he had to create definitions for words never heard in the earth before such as rain, drown, repent or especially ark Could it be then that God is speaking but we can’t totally grasp His Word because He is introducing a new vocabulary of faith full of words, visions and plans ? Is it possible instead of us all feeling alone and isolated in our own aspirations, insecurities and insufficiencies that the Lord may be trying to speak corporately? Could this be a Godly frustration? A frustration not meant to be wasted in bitterness or the pain from the loss of past opportunities and unfulfilled dreams. This is a frustration of anticipation for something new and unprecedented. We are subconsciously anticipating a corporate anointing that is going to change the world for the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ!


Is this what it felt like right before the Day of Pentecost? Is this what Peter felt like in the day’s preceding the Acts 2 sermon? Is this how Paul felt headed to Rome? Is this how William Seymour felt while simply operating a humble mission and prayer room at Azusa? Is this what men like William Booth, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth felt like before they literally shook the earth with the Gospel? Hear me – this is not an attack from the Enemy. This is a Holy frustration from the Holy Spirit within you that is anticipating in advance something that has already been set in motion in the heavenlies!


We are on the brink of a Holy visitation that will be beyond any reference point outside of scripture. We are entering into a season of Book of Acts proportions that will transcend cultural, religious and logistical barriers. There is a new way of ministry being introduced that we will have to build from scratch. There are fraternities of Godly relationships being birthed that we will have to cherish and nurture in their infancy stages of growth and development. A clear understanding of the Five fold ministry in the Local Church will began to unfold as Churches become Antioch’s that spread the Gospel to the entire world with television, internet, radio, newspaper and magazine adds along with Billboards. These coupled with apostolic teams financed and sent by strong local Churches will create a stir unprecedented since the days of the Book of Acts Church!

My prayer is that I just want to be a part…We have lived our entire lives for such a time as this. Maranatha!

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Old 09-11-2007, 07:01 PM
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The Frustration of Anticipation
http://www.newchurchorder.com/content/view/76/45/

In the last few months, we have been receiving calls, emails, letters and visits from ministers literally around the world expressing this same sentiment. We are anticipating something we cannot seem to articulate or explain. It’s as if the Holy Sprit has planted a seed in the womb of the Church and we have yet to birth what we know is a “New Thing”!



Is this what it felt like right before the Day of Pentecost? Is this what Peter felt like in the day’s preceding the Acts 2 sermon? Is this how Paul felt headed to Rome? Is this how William Seymour felt while simply operating a humble mission and prayer room at Azusa? Is this what men like William Booth, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth felt like before they literally shook the earth with the Gospel? Hear me – this is not an attack from the Enemy. This is a Holy frustration from the Holy Spirit within you that is anticipating in advance something that has already been set in motion in the heavenlies!
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 - 11 (KJV) 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Maybe if we'd get back to Acts like church, back closer to the Lord, back to a more Kingdom minded time we'd see what happened at Azusa happen again. Azusa was not a "New Thing" it was just a getting back to the "Main Thing".......

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16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Lord help me not to become caught up with just pursuing the next "New Thing"!!! But let me be rooted and ground in The Way, The Truth and The Life. Let my focus not be on the new for newness sake, but on the eternal for eternities sake.........
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Is he a relative of KP and RP? don't be obtuse He looks remarkable like RP
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Where is the membership list for the NCO?? This is only in case I would want to pass out awards... or otherwise mark them.


Oh, and can join as a non-preacher?

And do I have to drink goat's blood?
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I don't care for the term "new thing"....we are looking for an old thing revived
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I don't care for the term "new thing"....we are looking for an old thing revived
Awe but you are in the midst of believers who embraced what was once known as the "New Issue" - not that they readily promoted it as such.
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I don't care for the term "new thing"....we are looking for an old thing revived
Amen, we are in need of a reviving of something that is old in the sense that
it is something that operated among believers 2000 years ago, but yet brings
newness and freshness into the lives of those who are exercised by it.
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