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08-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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Blog by Jack Hayford-"Lightweight Believers"
I found a great article by the esteemed Jack Hayford. I like some of his quips about the current day Chruch growth model.
Link: http://www.foursquare.org/articles/398,1.html
Some quotes,
"As leaders today, we must be warned of our common vulnerability to being distracted by the abundance of “enhancements” available to ministry today. We can become mesmerized by the array of church cosmetics for helping our church look better. “Makeup” isn’t evil, but it’s no substitute for leading believers to “take up” the disciple’s cross and be shaped as His true followers. We’re within frightening reach of being able to grow bigger churches while failing to grow bigger people."
Another,
We are increasingly tooled and trained in technology and management techniques. We are better resourced with music and media effects, and better housed and staged for added consumer appeal. And, while I’m not attacking these outsourced resources, I’m asking about our outcomes. Amid our heavyweight enterprises at refining style, we are growing weak in substance. In our version of the Bride “trimming to be pretty” we can end up with lightweight believers— undernourished with “light” fare; i.e., “light” as in soft drinks, instead of the Spirit’s rich wine; “light” as in sermons with lowered nutritional content, but with really interesting stories. With an abundance of resources available, some opt for the following: “As long as it tastes good and you look good—Good! Church was a great party today!”
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08-16-2007, 04:03 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Link doesn't show up...to many http:/'s...
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08-16-2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
Link doesn't show up...to many http:/'s...
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Not sure why? Maybe somebody can fix it.
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08-16-2007, 04:08 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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fixed, that will be 60 dollars sir, please pay at the door on the way out
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:09 PM
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Step By Step - Day By Day
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Originally Posted by keith4him
I found a great article by the esteemed Jack Hayford. I like some of his quips about the current day Chruch growth model.
Link: http://www.foursquare.org/articles/398,1.html
Some quotes,
"As leaders today, we must be warned of our common vulnerability to being distracted by the abundance of “enhancements” available to ministry today. We can become mesmerized by the array of church cosmetics for helping our church look better. “Makeup” isn’t evil, but it’s no substitute for leading believers to “take up” the disciple’s cross and be shaped as His true followers. We’re within frightening reach of being able to grow bigger churches while failing to grow bigger people."
Another,
We are increasingly tooled and trained in technology and management techniques. We are better resourced with music and media effects, and better housed and staged for added consumer appeal. And, while I’m not attacking these outsourced resources, I’m asking about our outcomes. Amid our heavyweight enterprises at refining style, we are growing weak in substance. In our version of the Bride “trimming to be pretty” we can end up with lightweight believers— undernourished with “light” fare; i.e., “light” as in soft drinks, instead of the Spirit’s rich wine; “light” as in sermons with lowered nutritional content, but with really interesting stories. With an abundance of resources available, some opt for the following: “As long as it tastes good and you look good—Good! Church was a great party today!”
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Awesome! Great stuff by Hayford. I agree with what I've read (quick skim). Hayford is one of those outside our own Oneness Pentecostal movement that I greatly respect. He seems quite sensible.
Now if he only had the "truth".
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08-16-2007, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Awesome! Great stuff by Hayford. I agree with what I've read (quick skim). Hayford is one of those outside our own Oneness Pentecostal movement that I greatly respect. He seems quite sensible.
Now if he only had the "truth".
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He knows firsthand about our doctrine, also Kenneth Haney is friends with him.
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08-16-2007, 04:40 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by keith4him
He knows firsthand about our doctrine, also Kenneth Haney is friends with him.
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Hayford is cool, though I have heard the foursquares are pretty much not Pentecostal anymore in practice, but on paper only. Don't know if that is true or not of his church
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:41 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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BTW Keith...where's my payment for services rendered?
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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