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Old 08-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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Blog by Jack Hayford-"Lightweight Believers"

I found a great article by the esteemed Jack Hayford. I like some of his quips about the current day Chruch growth model.

Link: http://www.foursquare.org/articles/398,1.html

Some quotes,

"As leaders today, we must be warned of our common vulnerability to being distracted by the abundance of “enhancements” available to ministry today. We can become mesmerized by the array of church cosmetics for helping our church look better. “Makeup” isn’t evil, but it’s no substitute for leading believers to “take up” the disciple’s cross and be shaped as His true followers. We’re within frightening reach of being able to grow bigger churches while failing to grow bigger people."


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We are increasingly tooled and trained in technology and management techniques. We are better resourced with music and media effects, and better housed and staged for added consumer appeal. And, while I’m not attacking these outsourced resources, I’m asking about our outcomes. Amid our heavyweight enterprises at refining style, we are growing weak in substance. In our version of the Bride “trimming to be pretty” we can end up with lightweight believers— undernourished with “light” fare; i.e., “light” as in soft drinks, instead of the Spirit’s rich wine; “light” as in sermons with lowered nutritional content, but with really interesting stories. With an abundance of resources available, some opt for the following: “As long as it tastes good and you look good—Good! Church was a great party today!”
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:03 PM
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:06 PM
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I found a great article by the esteemed Jack Hayford. I like some of his quips about the current day Chruch growth model.

Link: http://www.foursquare.org/articles/398,1.html

Some quotes,

"As leaders today, we must be warned of our common vulnerability to being distracted by the abundance of “enhancements” available to ministry today. We can become mesmerized by the array of church cosmetics for helping our church look better. “Makeup” isn’t evil, but it’s no substitute for leading believers to “take up” the disciple’s cross and be shaped as His true followers. We’re within frightening reach of being able to grow bigger churches while failing to grow bigger people."


Another,

We are increasingly tooled and trained in technology and management techniques. We are better resourced with music and media effects, and better housed and staged for added consumer appeal. And, while I’m not attacking these outsourced resources, I’m asking about our outcomes. Amid our heavyweight enterprises at refining style, we are growing weak in substance. In our version of the Bride “trimming to be pretty” we can end up with lightweight believers— undernourished with “light” fare; i.e., “light” as in soft drinks, instead of the Spirit’s rich wine; “light” as in sermons with lowered nutritional content, but with really interesting stories. With an abundance of resources available, some opt for the following: “As long as it tastes good and you look good—Good! Church was a great party today!”
Awesome! Great stuff by Hayford. I agree with what I've read (quick skim). Hayford is one of those outside our own Oneness Pentecostal movement that I greatly respect. He seems quite sensible.

Now if he only had the "truth".
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:15 PM
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Awesome! Great stuff by Hayford. I agree with what I've read (quick skim). Hayford is one of those outside our own Oneness Pentecostal movement that I greatly respect. He seems quite sensible.

Now if he only had the "truth".
He knows firsthand about our doctrine, also Kenneth Haney is friends with him.
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:40 PM
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He knows firsthand about our doctrine, also Kenneth Haney is friends with him.
Hayford is cool, though I have heard the foursquares are pretty much not Pentecostal anymore in practice, but on paper only. Don't know if that is true or not of his church
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BTW Keith...where's my payment for services rendered?
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