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Old 07-27-2007, 07:28 PM
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Celebrity Preachers

Online editorial from Charisma Magazine for 7/27/07

The Deadly Virus of Celebrity Christianity
By J. Lee. Grady

Some bigheaded preachers demand rock star treatment. If the apostle Paul were around today he might throw rocks at them.

Just when I thought we charismatics had finally taken enough abuse from the egomaniac ministers in our midst, I’ve learned that some of our leaders are taking things to a new extreme. We’ve moved beyond the red carpets, limousines and entourages of the 1990s. A new strain of the celebrity virus is spreading in large segments of the church.

One friend of mine in Texas recently inquired to see if a prominent preacher could speak at her conference. The minister’s assistant faxed back a list of requirements that had to be met in order to book a speaking engagement. The demands included:

* a five-figure honorarium
* a $10,000 gasoline deposit for the private plane
* a manicurist and hairstylist for the speaker
* a suite in a five-star hotel
* a luxury car from the airport to the hotel (2004 model or newer)
* room-temperature Perrier

This really makes me wonder how the apostle Paul, Timothy or Priscilla managed ministering to so many people in Ephesus, Corinth and Thessalonica. How did they survive without a manicurist if they broke a nail while laying hands on the sick?

I was relieved to know that this celebrity preacher’s requirements in 2007 did not include a set of armed bodyguards—because I just might want to jump uninvited into her Rolls-Royce and say a few words.

It gets worse, if you can believe it. At a charismatic conference in an East Coast city recently, a pastor stood on a stage in front of a large crowd and smugly announced that the guest speaker was “more than an apostle.” Then the host asked everyone to bow down to the person, claiming that this posture was necessary to release God’s power.

“This is the only way you can receive this kind of anointing!” the host declared, bowing in front of the speaker. Immediately, about 80 percent of the audience fell prostrate on the floor. The few who were uncomfortable with the weird spiritual control in the room either walked out or stood in silent protest.

So today, I guess it’s not enough to feed a celebrity preacher’s ego by treating them like a rock star. We also are required to worship him.

And apparently in some places you even have to pay big bucks to speak with him. In a city in the South, a well-known preacher is known to ask for money in order to secure a five- or 10-minute counseling session. The minister uses Proverbs 18:16, “A man’s gift makes room for him and brings him before great men” (NASB), to support this bizarre practice. Some people are known to give more than $1,000 for a short meeting.

People on fixed incomes need not apply. (That would include lepers, blind beggars, Samaritan women or any other social outcasts who were welcomed and healed by Jesus without payment.)

What has become of the American church? What is this sickness spreading in the body of Christ? I don’t know whom to blame more for it: The narcissistic minister who craves the attention, or the spiritually naive crowds who place these arrogant people on their shaky pedestals. All I know is that God is grieved by all of this shameful carnality.

How far we have fallen from authentic New Testament faith. Paul, who carried the anointing of an apostle but often described himself as a bond slave, told the Thessalonians, “Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives” (1 Thess. 2:.

New Testament Christianity is humble, selfless and authentic. And those who carry the truth don’t preach for selfish gain or to meet an emotional need for attention. May God help us root out the false apostles and false teachers who are making the American church sick with their man-centered, money-focused heresies.

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:30 PM
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Anybody know what the honorarium is this year for camp meeting evening speaker for a large UPC district?
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:35 PM
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Wow! Jesus said to John....the poor have the gospel preached unto them.....that was one of the signs that He was the Messiah...
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:39 PM
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I'm not a fan of Charisma magazine as I think they go to far in one extreme ,but this is a great article.
This is the fruit of the prosperity message.
And poor Paul was writing Epistles in jail without a cloak ,and parchments ,which someone had to bring him.
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I wonder when women with long long hair will demand payment to release angels

BTW I was watching TBN briefly and they had three women singing. They were dressed like hooches in my opinion and dancing like it too. At first, no joke and I am moderate....I thought it was the wrong channel.

We scoffed at Imelda Marcos....now it seems the spirit of Imelda has taken over other areas...I've said it before...pastors, preachers...etc...were never meant to have a lot of power. Power corrupts.

Oh...and the best part....WE Americans are STUPID enough to pay it and support it. Im not holding my breath for the day sport fans stop going to games and demand those over priced premadonnas stop acting like babies and get paid less.
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What has become of the American church? What is this sickness spreading in the body of Christ? I don’t know whom to blame more for it: The narcissistic minister who craves the attention, or the spiritually naive crowds who place these arrogant people on their shaky pedestals. All I know is that God is grieved by all of this shameful carnality.
I lay blame equally at the ministers and the saints for allowing this to happen. The fact, 80% of the audience actually bowing to this idiot buffoon speaks volumes. I have not seen it quite this bad in apostolic circles but you can bet that in certain districts, if the membership were to swell to, say, 10 times what it currently is, you would see certain ministers making the same requests and using "touch not mine annointed" as reason.
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Wow! Jesus said to John....the poor have the gospel preached unto them.....that was one of the signs that He was the Messiah...
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Rom 12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Rom 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honor preferring one another;
Rom 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
Rom 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
Rom 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
Rom 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

The sad thing is....many of these individuals are paid to open their mouths and never get close to someone in the congregation they are speaking in order to minister personally...they are wisked away in thier limos at the end of speaking
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Prax ,I agree alot of the folks on so-called Christian tv. could more dress modestly.
And I'm more liberal than some here.
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I lay blame equally at the ministers and the saints for allowing this to happen. The fact, 80% of the audience actually bowing to this idiot buffoon speaks volumes. I have not seen it quite this bad in apostolic circles but you can bet that in certain districts, if the membership were to swell to, say, 10 times what it currently is, you would see certain ministers making the same requests and using "touch not mine annointed" as reason.
LOL!! Yes, I believe you are right!!!!
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How does one tell believers in third world countries or Muslim countries that material things are a sign of God's favor ?
How does one tell Christians in Sudan and such that they aren't favored of God because they aren't wealthy ?
I guess the believers in Haiti and aren't favored by God either ?
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