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Old 07-21-2007, 07:08 PM
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One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism

Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;


Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Only one body?

Only one baptism?

One may be baptized in water. Does that baptism baptize us into the ONE body of Christ?

One may be baptized in the Holy Ghost. Does that baptism baptize us into the ONE body of Christ?

Nay! There is only ONE Lord, ONE faith and ONE baptism It takes both the water and the Spirit to effect the ONE baptism that baptizes us into the ONE body of Christ.

Sounds exclusive.

No wonder Jesus said that the gate is strait...not many will find it. Too many of our one stepper friends drag up their many ideas to the gate to see if it wil fit through the strait gate. Sadly, all that other spiritual baggage just does not fit through the strait gate.

ONE BODY is accessed by ONE baptism.

1 John 5:8 (King James Version)

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The Spirit, water and blood agree in ONE WHAT? One plan of salvation to be sure. Water apart from the blood and Spirit constitue NO baptism into ONE body. Spirit apart from the water and the blood constitute NO baptism into the ONE body. Blood apart from the water and the Spirit constitue NO baptism into the ONE body of Christ.

Friends, let us not try to dray ANOTHER way through the strait gate. In the end, we will fail. Jesus is the STRAIT gate. He brought forth water, blood and Spirit. He is the ONLY WAY, the ONLY TRUTH, and the ONLY LIFE. His is the ONLY body into whom we must be BAPTISED...being the ONE baptism. He is the ONLY Lord. He is the ONLY faith. Into HIM is the ONLY baptism.

But, I sure love my sweet one stepper friends anyway.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:48 PM
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Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Bro Strange,

I've always thought of 'one baptism' as water baptism although I agree it takes the water and the Spirit baptisms to become part of the body of Christ.


Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:2

There is one teaching on the baptisms. Two baptisms but they go together into one teaching. When we are baptized into Christ it is by water baptism in Jesus name.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:27

We are baptized by one Spirit into one body and this is done in water baptism by the Spirit of God who performs a type of circumcision of the heart in removing the body of sin.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.Romans 2:28-29

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead Col 2:11-12

We know we are in the body of Christ when we have been baptized in his name and when we have been received his Spirit which we have all been made to drink of. Without the Spirit of Christ we are none of his.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:00 PM
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Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Bro Strange,

I've always thought of 'one baptism' as water baptism although I agree it takes the water and the Spirit baptisms to become part of the body of Christ.


Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:2

There is one teaching on the baptisms. Two baptisms but they go together into one teaching. When we are baptized into Christ it is by water baptism in Jesus name.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:27

We are baptized by one Spirit into one body and this is done in water baptism by the Spirit of God who performs a type of circumcision of the heart in removing the body of sin.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.Romans 2:28-29

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead Col 2:11-12

We know we are in the body of Christ when we have been baptized in his name and when we have been received his Spirit which we have all been made to drink of. Without the Spirit of Christ we are none of his.
Amen...

You have given good scriptures here. In each case they speak of being baptized into the BODY of Christ. One Lord, One Faith, ONE BAPTISM. You scriptures taken together, make this plain...not by water alone nor by Spirit alone, but by water and Spirit is the circucision effected.

There is only ONE body and ONE plan alone to be baptized into that ONE body...the body of Christ.
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:05 AM
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Can anyone see that it takes both water and Spirit to be baptized INTO the body of Christ...all made possible by the blood of Christ?
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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Alright...

Maybe things are much worse that I thought.


Let me try this one last approach to see if anyone will pick up on it:

Just what does the Spirit, water and blood of I John 5:8 agree in. One WHAT?


Refer back to my first post above.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:40 PM
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Alright...

Maybe things are much worse that I thought.


Let me try this one last approach to see if anyone will pick up on it:

Just what does the Spirit, water and blood of I John 5:8 agree in. One WHAT?


Refer back to my first post above.
You are not suggesting that these 3 agree on your view of the New Birth, do you? Please respond promptly as I eagerly would love to engage w/ you in a discussion on 1 John 5 in its proper context.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:41 PM
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Alright...

Maybe things are much worse that I thought.


Let me try this one last approach to see if anyone will pick up on it:

Just what does the Spirit, water and blood of I John 5:8 agree in. One WHAT?


Refer back to my first post above.
Water baptism in Jesus' name.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:43 PM
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Water baptism in Jesus' name.
Is that your final answer???
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:47 PM
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"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." (1Cor.12:13)
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:50 PM
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Let's first read read 1 John 5 in its full context ... it is by far one of my favorite passages of scripture

1 John 5

1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
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