I Will Aoplogize To Dom

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom,

On the basis of things you have written and also things others have written about you I have believed you to be a full preterist. One who believes and teaches that Jesus came for the Church in 70ad. That the dead Christians were then raised and the entirety of Matt 24 and the book of Revelation have all been fulfilled at that time.

If this is NOT true, if you are not a full preterist, if these are not your beliefs please tell us WHAT ARE YOUR BELIEFS concerning the coming of Jesus for the Church, the resurrection of the dead and whether you believe we are in the New Heavens and the New Earth right now.

It should not be hard. If I have been wrong and you do not believe these things I will apologize to you.

You said to me:

translated the church in 70 A.D.? No, I don't believe that, but I told you this, a few times already. But since you are an ecclesiastical religious punk, one needs to tell you again.

[diakonos]

You can find what he believes in the eschatology section.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

On the basis of things you have written and also things others have written about you I have believed you to be a full preterist. One who believes and teaches that Jesus came for the Church in 70ad. That the dead Christians were then raised and the entirety of Matt 24 and the book of Revelation have all been fulfilled at that time.

If this is NOT true, if you are not a full preterist, if these are not your beliefs please tell us WHAT ARE YOUR BELIEFS concerning the coming of Jesus for the Church, the resurrection of the dead and whether you believe we are in the New Heavens and the New Earth right now.

It should not be hard. If I have been wrong and you do not believe these things I will apologize to you.

You said to me:

Maybe he's still studying, but knows he doesn't believe exactly what you articulated.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

On the basis of things you have written and also things others have written about you I have believed you to be a full preterist. One who believes and teaches that Jesus came for the Church in 70ad. That the dead Christians were then raised and the entirety of Matt 24 and the book of Revelation have all been fulfilled at that time.

If this is NOT true, if you are not a full preterist, if these are not your beliefs please tell us WHAT ARE YOUR BELIEFS concerning the coming of Jesus for the Church, the resurrection of the dead and whether you believe we are in the New Heavens and the New Earth right now.

It should not be hard. If I have been wrong and you do not believe these things I will apologize to you.

You said to me:

I don't think you understand what full preterism is? Do you think that full preterists believe in an AD70 rapture, just like you believe but in AD70 instead of the future?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by diakonos

You can find what he believes in the eschatology section.

I have actually read the long thread on the Preterist community in that section. I can see and understand Mike Blumes position but I never found Doms teaching there.

I am not ashamed of what I believe on the end times. I would have no problem putting it here. No one may accept it but I could put it here. The many times I have asked him to present what he DOES believe he has NOT done so.

If he does NOT believe these things I will apologize to him, here, publicly.

If it is his belief he should not be ashamed to say so.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't think you understand what full preterism is? Do you think that full preterists believe in an AD70 rapture, just like you believe but in AD70 instead of the future?

Let Dom lay it out. He is the Mayor. He can handle it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have actually read the long thread on the Preterist community in that section. I can see and understand Mike Blumes position but I never found Doms teaching there.

I am not ashamed of what I believe on the end times. I would have no problem putting it here. No one may accept it but I could put it here. The many times I have asked him to present what he DOES believe he has NOT done so.

If he does NOT believe these things I will apologize to him, here, publicly.

If it is his belief he should not be ashamed to say so.

Why is it most of us seem to have a pretty good idea of what he believes, but you don't?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't think you understand what full preterism is? Do you think that full preterists believe in an AD70 rapture, just like you believe but in AD70 instead of the future?

Good point, Esaias. Most don't realize that definitions of commonly used terms can be quite different.

Don't Full Preterists believe that the "rapture" began in AD 70 and continues even today, with the only saints of the church being "caught up" to meet Jesus in the air at death?

I knew a Full Preterist who pointed out this text...

Matthew 24:31 (KJV)
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

While most see this as a single eschatological event in the future, my Full Preterist friend believes that this speaks of a spiritual reality that is still taking place, even today. He believes that from the sounding of the trumpet (the last trump) announcing the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple system, the angels have been gathering the elect after death and bringing them straight into the presence of the Lord.

Luke 16:22 (KJV)
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Perhaps our Full Preterist brethren can explain this better.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Let Dom lay it out. He is the Mayor. He can handle it.

This is why you get the responses you get to your questions.

I asked YOU about YOUR UNDERSTANDING and I get something about Mayor Dom?

Fuggeddaboudit.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Good point, Esaias. Most don't realize that definitions of commonly used terms can be quite different.

Don't Full Preterists believe that the "rapture" began in AD 70 and continues even today, with the only saints of the church being "caught up" to meet Jesus in the air at death?

I knew a Full Preterist who pointed out this text...

Matthew 24:31 (KJV)
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

While most see this as a single eschatological event in the future, my Full Preterist friend believes that this speaks of a spiritual reality that is still taking place, even today. He believes that from the sounding of the trumpet (the last trump) announcing the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple system, the angels have been gathering the elect after death and bringing them straight into the presence of the Lord.

Luke 16:22 (KJV)
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Perhaps our Full Preterist brethren can explain this better.

Your name is Chris, isn't it?