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Old 06-24-2007, 12:50 PM
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Mr. Brown's War and the income tax rebellion

My wife and I discussed the situation brewing in Plainfield, N.H. where Ed and Elaine Brown are bunkered down for a standoff with the Federal Goverment over the issue of income tax evasion.

What say ye of their cause?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_DgSep-ns
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:57 PM
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My wife and I discussed the situation brewing in Plainfield, N.H. where Ed and Elaine Brown are bunkered down for a standoff with the Federal Goverment over the issue of income tax evasion.

What say ye of their cause?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_DgSep-ns

[YT="Government VS Ed and Elaine Brown?"]t7_DgSep-ns[/YT]

Seventeen minutes and Fourteen seconds- what does it say?
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Old 06-24-2007, 02:47 PM
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I say he is a moron and deserves whatever happens to him.
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:56 PM
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I say he is a moron and deserves whatever happens to him.
I'm still looking into some of this, but it doesn't seem very wise to me either.

Therefore, I pondered: "What do all of my astute friends at AFF think of this?"

Have we any sympathizers in the house?

Does anyone believe that he might be right about some of this?

And even if he is right about some of this, he seems to be going about it all wrong.

Anyone else following this story?
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:22 PM
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Not following this story, but I am opposed to the current income tax structure.

I do believe it is still listed as voluntary, but apparently that is just in theory.
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:32 PM
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Not following this story, but I am opposed to the current income tax structure.

I do believe it is still listed as voluntary, but apparently that is just in theory.
Well, if you don't pay, you will be prosecuted for breaking laws that are not in the books
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:00 PM
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Not following this story, but I am opposed to the current income tax structure.

I do believe it is still listed as voluntary, but apparently that is just in theory.
I told my wife that if the authorities come to your door with guns and say pay your taxes or else...a law exists called the law of the gun. Cheap price to avoid the alterative.

The Browns are citing God. I suppose that they are some sort of Christian.

I thought about writing the Browns and showing them what Jesus taught about paying taxes...maybe they would concede...you think?
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:05 PM
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A few years back, I seem to remember a woman in Virginia, I think it was, sueing the government over taxes, and winning.

But, my memory may be faulty.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:07 PM
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A few years back, I seem to remember a woman in Virginia, I think it was, sueing the government over taxes, and winning.

But, my memory may be faulty.
That would be an interesting case to cite.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:02 PM
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http://www.showedthelaw.blogspot.com/

Ed and Elaine Brown went to court over this. They asked the prosecutor and the judge, anyone, to "show them the law" that says they are liable for income taxes.

Nobody "showed them the law". They became convinced that the court proceedings against them were a sham, since nobody was willing (or able) to cite the actual law they were being prosecuted for violating. So they walked out of the proceedings.

Warrants for their arrest were issued but they told the US Marshals charged with arresting them that since they were convicted in absentia under a sham proceeding without due process of law, they were "done with the system" and that any attempt to "arrest or detain" them would be met with force used in self defense.

On June 7th, an attempt on the property was made by several sniper teams, but was called off due to unexpected media attention.

Since then, they have had their power and phone (including cell phones) turned off. However, they have stated they are fully prepared to survive however long it takes. Apparently, they have lots and lots of food and water stored up. They have also had an unending stream of visitors and supporters bringing more supplies.

They even have a radio broadcast every day, Monday through Friday, on Republic Broadcasting Network, which is done via cell phones donated to them by visitors and supporters.

They have repeatedly stated they do not want violence but will use force to defend their lives and property if necessary.

They have also stated they are fully prepared to die. They have repeatedly said they have "made their peace with Jesus Christ" and are ready to die for what they believe in - which is that there is no actual law requiring the average American (including themselves) to pay any "income taxes" to the IRS, that the IRS and the income tax system is a criminal fraud operating under color of law, and that law enforcement agencies that attempt to enforce said "laws" are simply unconstitutional criminal organizations preying on the unknowing and the fearful. They believe their stand is necessary, for they think that it is unAmerican to submit to unConstitutional "government" (in their belief).

They have a LARGE base of supporters in the patriot/Constitutionalist movement, and both of them have been active in the Constitutionalist movement for decades.

There are many people watching carefully what is going on in Plainfield, New Hampshire. And there are many people who believe the June 7th incident is indicative of the federal governments intention to simply sweep in and kill the Browns a la Ruby Ridge and Waco.

(By the way, Randy Weaver, whose son and wife were killed by FBI snipers at Ruby Ridge, is there also, having arrived last week.)

Remember, the United States of America came into existence as an independent nation because some folks got tired of paying taxes they felt were unjust, and were unwilling to compromise on the issue... and were also willing to fight and die for their convictions.

www.makethestand.com

Ed and Elaine's radio broadcast is Monday through Friday at 1:00 pm Central time on Republic Broadcasting Network - http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/...p?cmd=schedule
http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/...cmd=listenlive
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