When is the Blood applied?

[consapente89]

When repentance and baptism are joined together? At Baptism? At Holy Ghost infilling? Or progressively throughout New Birth experience?

How does Exodus 12:7 and Acts 3:19 correlate with the application of the Blood in the New Birth?

[Amanah]

The blood is applied in baptism

• with out the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Hebrews 9:22)
• remission of sins is at baptism in Jesus' name (Acts 2:38)
• the church was purchased with blood (Acts 20:28)
• Exodus 12:7, the blood of the lamb, Jesus is the lamb of God
• Acts 3:19 is an expression of Acts 2:38

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repentance and baptism are linked together, Bro Esaias can explain how

Acts 19:4 4Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by consapente89

When repentance and baptism are joined together? At Baptism? At Holy Ghost infilling? Or progressively throughout New Birth experience?

How does Exodus 12:7 and Acts 3:19 correlate with the application of the Blood in the New Birth?

I believe the blood is at work before one is even aware, beginning with Prevenient Grace. And the blood continues to be at work through every aspect of the born again experience.

But that's just me.

[Apostolic1ness]

The Blood is applied at baptism, however if we continue to walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood continues to cleanse us from all sin.

[Amanah]

the command was to repent and be baptized, calling on the name of Jesus.

so I believe that we receive forgiveness/remission via the shed blood, as we repent in baptism while calling on the name. (Acts 22:16)

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

When repentance and baptism are joined together? At Baptism? At Holy Ghost infilling? Or progressively throughout New Birth experience?

How does Exodus 12:7 and Acts 3:19 correlate with the application of the Blood in the New Birth?

When we say "the blood is applied", what exactly are we meaning? Because no literal blood is LITERALLY (physically) applied to anyone. I believe what we are meaning to say is that the death of Christ becomes effective in our lives to secure our pardon. As well as our sanctification (because blood was applied to not only provide remission of sins, but sanctification, cleansing, etc as well).

We also have to keep in mind that the blood, being a short-hand way of speaking of Christ's death, is something that has a range of applications, if you will. "The cross" is another term that refers essentially to the same thing (Christ's death).

So when does the cross apply? Well, Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" so it began to be applied from the foundation of the world. It is a continuous covering, because Christ is the fulfillment of the daily sacrifice (every day), so therefore the blood has a continuous and ongoing work. That is to say, Christ's death has continuous and ongoing effects, even in the lives of heathen unbelievers.

The blood provides opportunity for pardon, redemption, sanctification, etc, so it has an effect on a person even before they become a believer. And Christ's death continues to produce effects all through the entire conversion process, all through the earthly life of the saint, and will continue all the way through the resurrection.

But as for when is a person's sins remitted? In baptism. Repentance is a component and necessary part of baptism, for without repentance it simply is not baptism but a mere quick bath that benefits the flesh only. Real baptism is according to 1 Peter 3 "the answer of a good conscience toward God", thus repentance is implied.

One does not identify with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection except through baptism (Romans 6). Baptism is when we are placed into His death ("the blood").

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

This shows the Passover Lamb must die. All Israel covering their doors with blood showed that the elect are purchased or redeemed from death and wrath by the blood of that Lamb. It does not however equate to anyone's sins being personally forgiven. Ex 12 was the "Egyptian Passover", a one time event, corresponding to the Lord's crucifixion and death. His crucifixion secured deliverance and redemption for all the elect, but one has to be part of the elect to get any benefit from it. And, one is not elect unless they are "in Christ". So Ex 12 shows the "national redemption" made possible by the Passover, just as Calvary showed the "national redemption" made possible by Christ for the new covenant nation that was being birthed. But as individuals, we like Israel of old must be circumcised and eat the Passover, ie it must be applied to each of us individually, not just corporately.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Repent and be converted, meaning change your ways and become followers of Jesus Christ. Why? So your sins may be blotted out. When? "The times of refreshing", which coincide with verse 20-21:

Acts 3:20-21 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is referring to Judgment Day. One's sins most definitely need to be blotted out on Judgment Day, otherwise one is in big trouble.

This is not saying one's sins are not remitted until Judgment Day, necessarily, but that one's sins must be blotted out on Judgment Day. That is, on Judgment Day, when you stand before God, you must stand with no sins on your record, they must be gone (which comes from being converted ie from being in Christ as a new creature).

I do not think Acts 3:19 is pinpointing the moment a person's sins are pardoned during the conversion process, it is making a more general statement that one must be converted in order to stand before God on Judgment Day clean and robed in white (having "put on" Christ).

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

When we say "the blood is applied", what exactly are we meaning? Because no literal blood is LITERALLY (physically) applied to anyone. I believe what we are meaning to say is that the death of Christ becomes effective in our lives to secure our pardon. As well as our sanctification (because blood was applied to not only provide remission of sins, but sanctification, cleansing, etc as well).

We also have to keep in mind that the blood, being a short-hand way of speaking of Christ's death, is something that has a range of applications, if you will. "The cross" is another term that refers essentially to the same thing (Christ's death).

So when does the cross apply? Well, Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" so it began to be applied from the foundation of the world. It is a continuous covering, because Christ is the fulfillment of the daily sacrifice (every day), so therefore the blood has a continuous and ongoing work. That is to say, Christ's death has continuous and ongoing effects, even in the lives of heathen unbelievers.

The blood provides opportunity for pardon, redemption, sanctification, etc, so it has an effect on a person even before they become a believer. And Christ's death continues to produce effects all through the entire conversion process, all through the earthly life of the saint, and will continue all the way through the resurrection.

But as for when is a person's sins remitted? In baptism. Repentance is a component and necessary part of baptism, for without repentance it simply is not baptism but a mere quick bath that benefits the flesh only. Real baptism is according to 1 Peter 3 "the answer of a good conscience toward God", thus repentance is implied.

One does not identify with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection except through baptism (Romans 6). Baptism is when we are placed into His death ("the blood").

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

This shows the Passover Lamb must die. All Israel covering their doors with blood showed that the elect are purchased or redeemed from death and wrath by the blood of that Lamb. It does not however equate to anyone's sins being personally forgiven. Ex 12 was the "Egyptian Passover", a one time event, corresponding to the Lord's crucifixion and death. His crucifixion secured deliverance and redemption for all the elect, but one has to be part of the elect to get any benefit from it. And, one is not elect unless they are "in Christ". So Ex 12 shows the "national redemption" made possible by the Passover, just as Calvary showed the "national redemption" made possible by Christ for the new covenant nation that was being birthed. But as individuals, we like Israel of old must be circumcised and eat the Passover, ie it must be applied to each of us individually, not just corporately.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Repent and be converted, meaning change your ways and become followers of Jesus Christ. Why? So your sins may be blotted out. When? "The times of refreshing", which coincide with verse 20-21:

Acts 3:20-21 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is referring to Judgment Day. One's sins most definitely need to be blotted out on Judgment Day, otherwise one is in big trouble.

This is not saying one's sins are not remitted until Judgment Day, necessarily, but that one's sins must be blotted out on Judgment Day. That is, on Judgment Day, when you stand before God, you must stand with no sins on your record, they must be gone (which comes from being converted ie from being in Christ as a new creature).

I do not think Acts 3:19 is pinpointing the moment a person's sins are pardoned during the conversion process, it is making a more general statement that one must be converted in order to stand before God on Judgment Day clean and robed in white (having "put on" Christ).

thank you Esaias!, you are an excellent teacher, one of the best.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

thank you Esaias!, you are an excellent teacher, one of the best.

I barely qualify as a teacher, let alone "one of the best". But thank you for the kind words, sister.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I barely qualify as a teacher, let alone "one of the best". But thank you for the kind words, sister.

Oh, you’re pretty good, though. I couldn’t preach myself out of a paper sack. So I steal... I borrow all of your stuff. I’m currently practicing cadence, when to pause, when to drink water while I tell people to “Give God a praise,.. praise Him like you mean it, you can do better than that.” *downs 20 oz bottle of chilled water.

I’m practicing praises in 6 foreign languages so a I can slip them in here and there, disguised as tongues.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

When we say "the blood is applied", what exactly are we meaning? Because no literal blood is LITERALLY (physically) applied to anyone. I believe what we are meaning to say is that the death of Christ becomes effective in our lives to secure our pardon. As well as our sanctification (because blood was applied to not only provide remission of sins, but sanctification, cleansing, etc as well).

We also have to keep in mind that the blood, being a short-hand way of speaking of Christ's death, is something that has a range of applications, if you will. "The cross" is another term that refers essentially to the same thing (Christ's death).

So when does the cross apply? Well, Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" so it began to be applied from the foundation of the world. It is a continuous covering, because Christ is the fulfillment of the daily sacrifice (every day), so therefore the blood has a continuous and ongoing work. That is to say, Christ's death has continuous and ongoing effects, even in the lives of heathen unbelievers.

The blood provides opportunity for pardon, redemption, sanctification, etc, so it has an effect on a person even before they become a believer. And Christ's death continues to produce effects all through the entire conversion process, all through the earthly life of the saint, and will continue all the way through the resurrection.

But as for when is a person's sins remitted? In baptism. Repentance is a component and necessary part of baptism, for without repentance it simply is not baptism but a mere quick bath that benefits the flesh only. Real baptism is according to 1 Peter 3 "the answer of a good conscience toward God", thus repentance is implied.

One does not identify with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection except through baptism (Romans 6). Baptism is when we are placed into His death ("the blood").

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

This shows the Passover Lamb must die. All Israel covering their doors with blood showed that the elect are purchased or redeemed from death and wrath by the blood of that Lamb. It does not however equate to anyone's sins being personally forgiven. Ex 12 was the "Egyptian Passover", a one time event, corresponding to the Lord's crucifixion and death. His crucifixion secured deliverance and redemption for all the elect, but one has to be part of the elect to get any benefit from it. And, one is not elect unless they are "in Christ". So Ex 12 shows the "national redemption" made possible by the Passover, just as Calvary showed the "national redemption" made possible by Christ for the new covenant nation that was being birthed. But as individuals, we like Israel of old must be circumcised and eat the Passover, ie it must be applied to each of us individually, not just corporately.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Repent and be converted, meaning change your ways and become followers of Jesus Christ. Why? So your sins may be blotted out. When? "The times of refreshing", which coincide with verse 20-21:

Acts 3:20-21 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is referring to Judgment Day. One's sins most definitely need to be blotted out on Judgment Day, otherwise one is in big trouble.

This is not saying one's sins are not remitted until Judgment Day, necessarily, but that one's sins must be blotted out on Judgment Day. That is, on Judgment Day, when you stand before God, you must stand with no sins on your record, they must be gone (which comes from being converted ie from being in Christ as a new creature).

I do not think Acts 3:19 is pinpointing the moment a person's sins are pardoned during the conversion process, it is making a more general statement that one must be converted in order to stand before God on Judgment Day clean and robed in white (having "put on" Christ).

Well said.