Need an OT Expert

RachelRose · #1 04-03-2018, 06:15 PM

Dear Friends,

lately I have been doing a lot of reading about the "Hellenized Jesus", the name G-d and the Counsel in 325 AD. There has been a specific reason. I have been talking to a Jewish fellow at work.

My problem is he only wants to talk about the OT.

Does anyone have a scripture in the OT that talks about no amount of bulls and oxen can ever equal the sacrifice of Jesus? He keeps dragging me over th coals about how the Jews do not "approve of human sacrifice."

If this was anyone but a Jewish person I could hold my own but he always sets the rule when we chat; "the OT is the true words of G-d."

HELP!

Amanah · #2 04-03-2018, 08:20 PM

I would suggest you read John Gill's commentary on Hebrews.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...rews-10-3.html

votivesoul · #3 04-03-2018, 09:08 PM

Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the need for a new covenant. If the one at Sinai was all-sufficient forever, there would be no need for a new one. Psalm 110:4 shows the need for a new priesthood. If the priesthood of Aaron was all that was ever needed, then why the new priesthood?

These are some of the arguments made by the author of Hebrews. Take a long look at that letter, and in it find all the pertinent quotes from the OT you need to discuss the issue.

As far as the accusation of human sacrifice, remind your friend of how the LORD was satisfied when Moses executed (beheaded and crucified) men over the Baal-Peor incident, or the slaughter of the false prophets by Elijah, or when King David handed over members of the tribe of Benjamin (I think???) to be executed by the Gibeonites.

Ritualistic execution of humans on an altar in a temple is profane, and not allowed. Capital punishment that clears blood-guilt and cleanses the land of defilement is something else. In either case, especially the second case, humans are being killed for the express purpose of expiation of guilt. Jesus was crucified for the same reason.

votivesoul · #4 04-03-2018, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the need for a new covenant. If the one at Sinai was all-sufficient forever, there would be no need for a new one. Psalm 110:4 shows the need for a new priesthood. If the priesthood of Aaron was all that was ever needed, then why the new priesthood?

These are some of the arguments made by the author of Hebrews. Take a long look at that letter, and in it find all the pertinent quotes from the OT you need to discuss the issue.

As far as the accusation of human sacrifice, remind your friend of how the LORD was satisfied when Moses executed (beheaded and crucified) men over the Baal-Peor incident, or the slaughter of the false prophets by Elijah, or when King David handed over members of the tribe of Benjamin (I think???) to be executed by the Gibeonites.

Ritualistic execution of humans on an altar in a temple is profane, and not allowed. Capital punishment that clears blood-guilt and cleanses the land of defilement is something else. In either case, especially the second case, humans are being killed for the express purpose of expiation of guilt. Jesus was crucified for the same reason.

Phineas also comes to mind. He slew a man and woman committing fornication, in the very act, by impaling them both to the ground with a spear. God rewards him and gives him an everlasting priesthood (Melchizedek?)

Yael splits a man's head in two with a tent peg, and saves the day in Judges. Joab is satisfied when a man's head is tossed over the wall of a city, in order to save the rest of the city. These incidents are all over the OT. In each one, a man's life is forfeit, and sacrificed for the greater good, the saving of others, or, in the case of Phineas, even atonement.

Tithesmeister · #5 04-03-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RachelRose

Dear Friends,

lately I have been doing a lot of reading about the "Hellenized Jesus", the name G-d and the Counsel in 325 AD. There has been a specific reason. I have been talking to a Jewish fellow at work.

My problem is he only wants to talk about the OT.

Does anyone have a scripture in the OT that talks about no amount of bulls and oxen can ever equal the sacrifice of Jesus? He keeps dragging me over th coals about how the Jews do not "approve of human sacrifice."

If this was anyone but a Jewish person I could hold my own but he always sets the rule when we chat; "the OT is the true words of G-d."

HELP!

The entire OT points to Jesus. The prophesy that through Abraham, all the nations of the world would be blessed. The brazen serpent was a type of Jesus. (If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me.) Malachi prophesied that salvation would come to the Gentiles. The New Testament (which he probably will not read) ties back to the OT and records the fulfillment of the prophecy. Even the almost sacrifice of Isaac was a type of the sacrifice of God’s only son.

There is so much to see. But there is none so blind as he who will not see.

Praxeas · #6 04-04-2018, 04:41 AM

Kinsman redeemer

Amanah · #7 04-04-2018, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I would suggest you read John Gill's commentary on Hebrews.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...rews-10-3.html

I forgot to mention that the point of reading Gill's commentary is that he gives you the links to the old testament scriptures that you can use and you can then provide comments from Hebrews without mentioning that you are quoting Hebrews as you discuss the OT scriptures.