Trumpcare: Pre-existing Conditions Not Covered

[Aquila]

A list of pre-existing conditions that will no longer be covered under Trumpcare:

AIDS/HIV, acid reflux, acne, ADD, addiction, Alzheimer's/dementia, anemia, aneurysm, angioplasty, anorexia, anxiety, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, atrial fibrillation, autism, bariatric surgery, basal cell carcinoma, bipolar disorder, blood clot, breast cancer, bulimia, bypass surgery, celiac disease, cerebral aneurysm, cerebral embolism, cerebral palsy, cerebral thrombosis, cervical cancer, colon cancer, colon polyps, congestive heart failure, COPD, Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, DMD, depression, diabetes, disabilities, Down syndrome, eating disorder, enlarged prostate, epilepsy, glaucoma, gout, heart disease, heart murmur, heartburn, hemophilia, hepatitis C, herpes, high cholesterol, hypertension, hysterectomy, kidney disease, kidney stones, kidney transplant, leukemia, lung cancer, lupus, lymphoma, mental health issues, migraines, MS, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, nasal polyps, obesity, OCD, organ transplant, osteoporosis, pacemaker, panic disorder, paralysis, paraplegia, Parkinson's disease, pregnancy, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, seasonal affective disorder, seizures, sickle cell disease, skin cancer, sleep apnea, sleep disorders, stent, stroke, thyroid issues, tooth disease, tuberculosis, ulcers.
Primary biliary cholangitis is also on the list.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

A list of pre-existing conditions that will no longer be covered under Trumpcare:

AIDS/HIV, acid reflux, acne, ADD, addiction, Alzheimer's/dementia, anemia, aneurysm, angioplasty, anorexia, anxiety, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, atrial fibrillation, autism, bariatric surgery, basal cell carcinoma, bipolar disorder, blood clot, breast cancer, bulimia, bypass surgery, celiac disease, cerebral aneurysm, cerebral embolism, cerebral palsy, cerebral thrombosis, cervical cancer, colon cancer, colon polyps, congestive heart failure, COPD, Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, DMD, depression, diabetes, disabilities, Down syndrome, eating disorder, enlarged prostate, epilepsy, glaucoma, gout, heart disease, heart murmur, heartburn, hemophilia, hepatitis C, herpes, high cholesterol, hypertension, hysterectomy, kidney disease, kidney stones, kidney transplant, leukemia, lung cancer, lupus, lymphoma, mental health issues, migraines, MS, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, nasal polyps, obesity, OCD, organ transplant, osteoporosis, pacemaker, panic disorder, paralysis, paraplegia, Parkinson's disease, pregnancy, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, seasonal affective disorder, seizures, sickle cell disease, skin cancer, sleep apnea, sleep disorders, stent, stroke, thyroid issues, tooth disease, tuberculosis, ulcers.
Primary biliary cholangitis is also on the list.

Pre-existing auto-accidents are not covered on my auto insurance. Can you believe the injustice?

[Aquila]

I'm reminded of a passage from James,

James 2:15-17
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Here, James is explaining that faith without works is dead. Notice, James doesn't say these are works of the Law. James describes works of charity and compassion. To depart in peace is to be safe from harm, to be warmed and filled is to have been sheltered, clothed, and fed. The point here is that our pious and religious words matter little when one is in dire physical need.

And so that leads me to expand upon this understanding. If a person is sick and suffering, destitute of needed medication and care, and we speak of Christ, salvation, healing, and blessing; without providing what is needful to the body, what does it profit?

What happened to the days when people knew that if anyone was in dire need of anything, the one people who would be their advocates and seek to provide for their need would be the Christians?

I fear that the result of American Christianity's marriage to right-wing conservative political philosophy is producing in us a faith that is dead, being void of mercy, grace, and compassion.

And if we think that a suffering world will care about the Gospel we preach, if we don't care if they live in suffering or die...we're gravely mistaken.

[Aquila]

Instead of bowing to the the altar of this new and heartless brand of conservatism and adopting their Social Darwinism, we should be challenging the conservative movement to be merciful and compassionate in their politics.

Obamacare protected people from being denied medical coverage based on pre-existing conditions. For many millions of suffering people, this was truly a godsend. And now, to turn around and deny them coverage is to unnecessarily inflict harm upon millions.

To deny coverage to a person based on a pre-existing condition is not only immoral, if it directly leads to their death it is murder.

We should have a higher calling than this current form of modern conservatism.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Pre-existing auto-accidents are not covered on my auto insurance. Can you believe the injustice?

Are you actually comparing the value of a human being's health is equal to the value of an auto repair?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm reminded of a passage from James,

James 2:15-17
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Here, James is explaining that faith without works is dead. Notice, James doesn't say these are works of the Law. James describes works of charity and compassion. To depart in peace is to be safe from harm, to be warmed and filled is to have been sheltered, clothed, and fed. The point here is that our pious and religious words matter little when one is in dire physical need.

And so that leads me to expand upon this understanding. If a person is sick and suffering, destitute of needed medication and care, and we speak of Christ, salvation, healing, and blessing; without providing what is needful to the body, what does it profit?

What happened to the days when people knew that if anyone was in dire need of anything, the one people who would be their advocates and seek to provide for their need would be the Christians?

I fear that the result of American Christianity's marriage to right-wing conservative political philosophy is producing in us a faith that is dead, being void of mercy, grace, and compassion.

And if we think that a suffering world will care about the Gospel we preach, if we don't care if they live in suffering or die...we're gravely mistaken.

So unless secular governments or health insurance companies pay for everyone's healthcare, they are in violation of James' command? Who is James addressing?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Pre-existing auto-accidents are not covered on my auto insurance. Can you believe the injustice?

Are you actually comparing the value of a human being's health and well being is equal to the value of an auto repair?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So unless secular governments or health insurance companies pay for everyone's healthcare, they are in violation of James' command? Who is James addressing?

Actually, that's not what I'm saying. Rather it be a single payer system or a private system, or a combination of the two...to do this is immoral. It has always been immoral. It had always been the dark side of our system. A problem nearly all agreed had to be solved. Even though solutions and opinions differed.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Instead of bowing to the the altar of this new and heartless brand of conservatism and adopting their Social Darwinism, we should be challenging the conservative movement to be merciful and compassionate in their politics.

Obamacare protected people from being denied medical coverage based on pre-existing conditions. For many millions of suffering people, this was truly a godsend. And now, to turn around and deny them coverage is to unnecessarily inflict harm upon millions.

To deny coverage to a person based on a pre-existing condition is not only immoral, if it directly leads to their death it is murder.

We should have a higher calling than this current form of modern conservatism.

How were all those impossibly high deductibles moral? You are advocating compulsory requirements for everyone that they purchase a service they do not want, or be forced to allow the government to control their healthcare decisions. Then you use James out of context to justify it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually, that's not what I'm saying. Rather it be a single payer system or a private system, or a combination of the two...to do this is immoral.

So if someone who does not choose to buy insurance and neglects their health by smoking, drinking and eating garbage, I am violating the command of James if I do not wish to pay for their chemo when they get cancer? A private insurance industry should be forced to give them insurance? That's what James meant?