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Old 07-14-2016, 01:07 PM
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Putin purges Baltic commanders

Putin has fired some 50 commanders of his Baltic Fleet, including the top dawgs, in an unprecedented purge that hasn't been seen since the days of Stalin.

The official reason is dereliction of duties and corruption. If you buy that you're beyond naive.

Obama has purged pretty much all the higher officer corps, and now Putin is doing the same. Officer purges take place because the one purging is consolidating control and loyalty in the only force capable of pulling off a coup - the military.

The warning signs have been in place for several years, now: a planned major war (like WW3 style "major") is being set up. Just like pre1914 and pre1939 events, we are seeing the prepositioning of assets for a major war in Europe, ostensibly between NATO and Russia. Recent talk of a beefed up, globally effective EU military force feeds into the cauldron.

Oh, and don't forget the Pacific. China isn't just sitting around building cheap trinkets for Dollar General customers.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ine-collision/
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this doesn't strike me as being the will of the people in any of the relevant countries; how do you suppose consent could be manufactured for such a war?
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:30 PM
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oh good grief.

Putin doesn't need a coup. he already has power and no one will take it away from him short of killing him.


Obama may have gotten rid of any Flag officer that would stand up to him on his Prog agenda, but there is no way on earth that man will be president after Jan 20 2017.
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oh good grief.

Putin doesn't need a coup. he already has power and no one will take it away from him short of killing him.


Obama may have gotten rid of any Flag officer that would stand up to him on his Prog agenda, but there is no way on earth that man will be president after Jan 20 2017.
I'm gonna bookmark this last statement of yours and revisit this thread next year.

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this doesn't strike me as being the will of the people in any of the relevant countries; how do you suppose consent could be manufactured for such a war?
When has a major war required "consent of the people"?

Besides, every government knows how to manufacture consent. I doubt the Russian people were fantasizing about war with Germany in 1938, too.
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oh, i def agree to all that, but wars are better understood now, and i wonder if ww3 isn't just a bogeyman, another fear to pile on. the world is on fire right now. your tax dollars pay a guy to make bombs worth more than he makes in a year, to fire at people who will not make that in their lifetime, to enrich someone that makes that every minute. wanna know how many of these get dropped in a day? some stupid large number, hundreds i think there's even a website for it... https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+day+right+now

apparently faster than they can replenish them...yikes. anyway, i would be skeptical, in light of all the fear value ww3 has socially, and with all that is known about war now i doubt any nation would get behind one, which is necessary, otherwise no attempts would be made to manufacture consent--which is possible, ya. but it would be pretty tough in this atmosphere, dont you think?

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Do you actually know any Russians?

You might be surprised at what populations think.

Anyways, when "they" decide to have a war, it happens. Almost like clockwork, actually...
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this doesn't strike me as being the will of the people in any of the relevant countries; how do you suppose consent could be manufactured for such a war?
Imagine if Iran (Russia's best friend in the ME) decides to close the Straights of Hormuz, where something like 2/3rds of the world's oil flows through on tanker after tanker after tanker from Saudi Arabia, and etc.

Imagine, then, the price of gasoline in this country being $15 to $20 a gallon. There's your consent right there.
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Do you actually know any Russians?

You might be surprised at what populations think.

Anyways, when "they" decide to have a war, it happens. Almost like clockwork, actually...
um, no, i know no Russians to speak of--i did befriend a Russian couple while climbing Mt Sinai--the tourist one, in the Sinai, not the real one in SA--and they gave me several clues as to the general will of the Russians; there has been a large religious resurgence in Russia, if not a revival, and putting that with the temperature at which i was received by other Russians in the area--admittedly on vacation, which changes peoples' demeanors, softens their perspectives or whatever--i gotta say they did not seem to be inclined in that direction, were skeptical of their government actually repping them, etc, as many Americans now are, but that was like 5 years ago. But even Putin makes reconciliation noises publically?

Anyway, i am not meaning to say that wars will not happen in the future, perhaps even ww3, but my intent is to point out that we maybe are defining this war a certain way in our collective thinking--i'm sure we all have a similar perspective for "ww3"--when pretty much the whole world is at war right now, at least in a sense, and i wonder if the one is not providing some cover for the other, if you get me.
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Imagine if Iran (Russia's best friend in the ME) decides to close the Straights of Hormuz, where something like 2/3rds of the world's oil flows through on tanker after tanker after tanker from Saudi Arabia, and etc.

Imagine, then, the price of gasoline in this country being $15 to $20 a gallon. There's your consent right there.
def sounds plausible, but there are several things fighting this; i read a good treatment of this, which i'm not sure i'll be able to find/quote again, but the gist is that this is why we have been trying to jam a pipeline through Syria, i guess, and also why we are at war there, essentially; because Syria is one (of like, 3 now?) countries remaining that do not 'play ball,' iow have no central Rothschild bank, and actually neither Iran nor Syria strictly fit that model like N Korea does anymore.

Also, while that might have worked even 20 years ago, we have the internet now, and it is common knowledge that we have enough natural gas to run the country for 100 years, and the only reason we even buy gas is to politically transfer wealth to SA. (I'm paraphrasing here, but this makes sense to me) Of course the Gov has gone to retarded lengths to suppress NatGas usage in the US, but push come to shove any $15 a gallon fears might easily be allayed by showing you how to convert your car for a couple grand with kits available on the web, even if me actually knowledgeably installing it for you is a felony or whatever without some certificate that costs 5 figures; i can still make a youtube video showing you how...oops, someone beat me to it...and i can fill up your tank for free at many Kansas and Colorado properties.

Which still does not mean that that scenario could not be used to manufacture consent, but that it would be a harder sell now.
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