You Cannot Know Either Jesus or The Father.

[JoReba]

Part of Professional Babbling is to make people think the Professional Church Babbler "knows Jesus and God." And, to sensationalize their weekly performances, the "Pentecostal" Babblers like to come up with "revelations from God." Then, they tell their pewsitters they too can have "revelations from God" if they seek anointing, have hands laid on their heads, fall over backwards, are "prayed over," and maybe "position themselves before The Lord."

But, if these so called "revelations from God" can be written down and looked at, it always turns out they contain no new information. At best, they only are what Scripture already says about Jesus and God. There is in them no revelation. Just restatement of what can be easily read. And, Scripture only talks ABOUT God and Jesus. Therefore, humans can only know some information ABOUT God and Christ. They cannot actually know them, not even through"revelation."

Now up will jump Precious Hearts with the Scriptures from Saul and John, which speak about "knowing God." Because Saul and John stated that is it then automatic that you than also will "know God" because those verses exist? If so, then prove you know God with strong evidence. Quoting Saul and John proves nothing. Lol.

Large evidence for this is in Scripture, that Jesus Christ and The Father cannot actually be known. If they could have been known by The Apostles and contemporaries of Christ, then:

1.) John would not have written "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," because Jesus Christ would have already bern revealed. Lol. This is a new thought for any smooth talking Pulpit Babbler.

2.) There would have been seamless unity within The Apostles and with Saul, but there was not.

3.) People today would never need to "seek the face of God," but they do. White Knuckled Babblers love to "seek the face of God," while trying to say they already "know God."

4.) There would be universal agreement upon all Doctrines today if those who claimed to "know God" actually did. Rather, no Doctrine exists which is not broadly disputed, with endless factions on all points.

5.) No Babbler today who claims to "know Jesus or God" can explain much of Scripture. Their teachings just gloss over the face of the Text. Ezekiel, for instance, has no explanation which serves Christendom. Revelation certainly has none. Nobody can say if The Sermon on the Mount with Jesus' Commands is instructional or just informational.

6.) If anyone today knew God or Jesus, they would be able to implement John 14:12 in their own life. But nobody can.

7.) If anyone today knew God or Jesus they would be able to administrate complex human geopolitics and socioeconomics, as did Joseph in Godless Egypt and Daniel in Pagan Persia. But, no such person exists.

8.) If anyone knew God or Jesus, they would be able to unite all denominationations, and produce one superior rendering of Scripture. But, nobody can.

9.) If anyone knew God or Jesus, they would be able to remember and obey all of Jesus' Commands as Jesus stated His "friends" do. But nobody can.

10.) If anybody knew God or Jesus they would have clear and authoritative axiomatic answers for the questions in this Forum over which the arrogant posters can only stumble around.

Lol.

[shazeep]

i gotta say that you are changing my perception of OPs--that you are still here demonstrates that they are long-suffering to a fault! You've been here like a week now, right? Gotta be some kind of record for you?

[Carl]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i gotta say that you are changing my perception of OPs--that you are still here demonstrates that they are long-suffering to a fault! You've been here like a week now, right? Gotta be some kind of record for you?

Must have a lot of free time!

[JoReba]

Hey

Originally Posted by Carl

Must have a lot of free time!

Actually, posting in here is so simple, I can easily do it between committments. There is no effort on my part to come up with what I do, because all of the "special" people in here are actually quite predictable.

What you read from me is the result and gift from God after years of watching Professional Church Talkers, and years of asking The Lord what those Babblers are actually doing. So far, I have only scratched the surface of the truth about Christian Church Ministry and its weak nonsense. Pentecostal Babbling is just one thing I am anointed to address. Lol.

Thanks for asking, Carl. I am sure you are a precious and naive heart, just like the Little Children Jesus wants to have in Heaven.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by JoReba

Part of Professional Babbling is to make people think the Professional Church Babbler "knows Jesus and God." And, to sensationalize their weekly performances, the "Pentecostal" Babblers like to come up with "revelations from God." Then, they tell their pewsitters they too can have "revelations from God" if they seek anointing, have hands laid on their heads, fall over backwards, are "prayed over," and maybe "position themselves before The Lord."


How long have you been blaspheming the works of the Holy Ghost like this?



But, if these so called "revelations from God" can be written down and looked at, it always turns out they contain no new information. At best, they only are what Scripture already says about Jesus and God. There is in them no revelation. Just restatement of what can be easily read. And, Scripture only talks ABOUT God and Jesus. Therefore, humans can only know some information ABOUT God and Christ. They cannot actually know them, not even through"revelation."

That is not so, Jo Reba. The Holy Ghost enters into our bodies to stay until we die. We actually have the Spirit of the Living God within us. We are intimately connetcted to our God within us,





Now up will jump Precious Hearts with the Scriptures from Saul and John, which speak about "knowing God." Because Saul and John stated that is it then automatic that you than also will "know God" because those verses exist? If so, then prove you know God with strong evidence. Quoting Saul and John proves nothing. Lol.

You have said the Paul is not an Apostle already. Are you now saying that John was not an Apostle?


Large evidence for this is in Scripture, that Jesus Christ and The Father cannot actually be known. If they could have been known by The Apostles and contemporaries of Christ, then:

Evidence....1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1.) John would not have written "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," because Jesus Christ would have already bern revealed. Lol. This is a new thought for any smooth talking Pulpit Babbler.

So you think John was not an Apostle?

2.) There would have been seamless unity within The Apostles and with Saul, but there was not.

The differences they had at times, were used of God to get the ultimate will of God done....

3.) People today would never need to "seek the face of God," but they do. White Knuckled Babblers love to "seek the face of God," while trying to say they already "know God."

Agreed. This is a term that is not needed to a Holy Ghost filled believer. The Holy Ghost is inside of us, wanting to be released, chastening our unruly flesh in the process.

4.) There would be universal agreement upon all Doctrines today if those who claimed to "know God" actually did. Rather, no Doctrine exists which is not broadly disputed, with endless factions on all points.

The universal agreement you seek is already in these precious, Spirit filled saints... 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
All we Holy Ghost saints must do, is let it out and submit to it.

5.) No Babbler today who claims to "know Jesus or God" can explain much of Scripture. Their teachings just gloss over the face of the Text. Ezekiel, for instance, has no explanation which serves Christendom.

Ezekiel teaches us of the future Millennial reign of Jesus Christ our Lord, and many specifics of this period of time. Without it, our understanding of our Lord and His future promises to mankind would be incomplete and it would directly affect our faith.

Revelation certainly has none.

Revelation is the main source of words to the Church by Jesus Christ our Lord, after His resurrection.

Nobody can say if The Sermon on the Mount with Jesus' Commands is instructional or just informational.

It is both.

6.) If anyone today knew God or Jesus, they would be able to implement John 14:12 in their own life. But nobody can.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.....
We lead folks to the true plan of salvation and the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Jesus left to us the GREATEST WORK.....
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

7.) If anyone today knew God or Jesus they would be able to administrate complex human geopolitics and socioeconomics, as did Joseph in Godless Egypt and Daniel in Pagan Persia. But, no such person exists.

That will happen when Jesus returns. Jesus will take over the governments of mankind and rule them with a rod of iron.

8.) If anyone knew God or Jesus, they would be able to unite all denominationations, and produce one superior rendering of Scripture. But, nobody can.

Be patient....Zech 14:9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

9.) If anyone knew God or Jesus, they would be able to remember and obey all of Jesus' Commands as Jesus stated His "friends" do. But nobody can.

That is because His commandments are imbedded within us, called the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ.
The Holy Ghost teaches us His commandments as we journey with Him daily.

10.) If anybody knew God or Jesus they would have clear and authoritative axiomatic answers for the questions in this Forum over which the arrogant posters can only stumble around.

Lol.

Which proves we know Him

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by JoReba

Hey

Actually, posting in here is so simple, I can easily do it between committments. There is no effort on my part to come up with what I do, because all of the "special" people in here are actually quite predictable.

What you read from me is the result and gift from God after years of watching Professional Church Talkers, and years of asking The Lord what those Babblers are actually doing. So far, I have only scratched the surface of the truth about Christian Church Ministry and its weak nonsense. Pentecostal Babbling is just one thing I am anointed to address. Lol.

Thanks for asking, Carl. I am sure you are a precious and naive heart, just like the Little Children Jesus wants to have in Heaven.

Why don't you do us a favor and teach us babblers the truth that God has given you.

you like to attack, but do you have anything to teach?

by the way who gave you your supposed anointing?

please do tell us, we are waiting to hear your mighty wisdom.

[mfblume]

We can certainly know the Father and Son.


John 10: 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

We can certainly know the Father and Son.

Well, i think it depends upon how you define "know." There is Scripture that tells us plainly that you cannot know (at least) the Father, but only know of Him, and be known by Him. So we know God as in "know He exists."

sorry, i can't quickly find the passage, but it is Pauline...Corinthians, possibly?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, i think it depends upon how you define "know." There is Scripture that tells us plainly that you cannot know (at least) the Father, but only know of Him, and be known by Him. So we know God as in "know He exists."

sorry, i can't quickly find the passage, but it is Pauline...Corinthians, possibly?

Paul said no one comes to the Father but by the Spirit. But I don't know of any verse saying no one can know Him. John said the little children knew the Father.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i gotta say that you are changing my perception of OPs--that you are still here demonstrates that they are long-suffering to a fault! You've been here like a week now, right? Gotta be some kind of record for you?

His time here is up... guess the admin decided he crossed a line of no return... lol