JREnsey March Blog

[Abiding Now]

https://jrenseyblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/

[seguidordejesus]

Alhumdililah!

[Jason B]

I read some of it. Find some agreement but its just too long. I lost interest half way through.

However I'm always confused when staunch oneness Pentecostals who believe their interpretation of Acts 2:38 is the only way to be saved go about quoting those nasty, confused, condemned trinitarians, such as JC Ryle, Tim Challies, and the others Ensey quotes.

Not content to piggy back their hymns, Bible translations, commentaries and lexicons, must you OPs also borrow from their sermons, books, and blogs.......while still arrogantly proclaiming how blind, lost, and damned they are.

[KeptByTheWord]

I enjoyed the story on Irene Sender. So sad that she never received the Nobel Peace Prize, and Al Gore did instead! Saved the lives of 2500 children - wow.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

INot content to piggy back their hymns, Bible translations, commentaries and lexicons, must you OPs also borrow from their sermons, books, and blogs.......while still arrogantly proclaiming how blind, lost, and damned they are.

I understand what you are saying and you are right

You are absolutely right, it is hypocritical to condemn the Trinitarians and then use what they have created.

I have decided to create our own oneness commentary, I already have a few pages written.

I am trying to avoid all the Trinitarian hymns in our future songbooks.

I expect to eventually hire a professional translator to translate the Bible from the Greek to a Oneness perspective.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I expect to eventually hire a professional translator to translate the Bible from the Greek to a Oneness perspective.

Little something here for you. You really should let the Word say what it says, not what you want it to say.

Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsəˈdʒiːsəs/; from the Greek preposition εἰς "into" and the ending from the English word exegesis, which in turn is derived from ἐξηγεῖσθαι "to lead out")[1] is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text.[2] The act is often used to "prove" a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I understand what you are saying and you are right

You are absolutely right, it is hypocritical to condemn the Trinitarians and then use what they have created.

I have decided to create our own oneness commentary, I already have a few pages written.

I am trying to avoid all the Trinitarian hymns in our future songbooks.

I expect to eventually hire a professional translator to translate the Bible from the Greek to a Oneness perspective.

Even though I don't think these things are the answer, I tip my hat to you attempt at consistency.

I think the answer is oneness people understanding that justification is by faith in the person and work of Christ and thus embrace trinitarians as their brothers.

And for trinitarians to evenly apply their theology of justification, which teaches that 100% doctrinal purity is not needed to be saved, but only repentance from sin and faith in the person and work of Christ.

They allow this charity amongst themselves but do not extend it to oneness people. They should, since oneness people, while denying the Trinity in fact affirm the deity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as well as the hypostatic union. To often trinitarians categorize oneness with JWs, Mormons, Scientologists, and 7th Day Adventists.

Either trinitarians are going to hell on the basis of their view of God or they are not. If they are, then why use their material any more than you would a Muslims (who is a stauncher opponent of the trinity than an Islamic scholar)?

If they're not, then just admit there are some major theological differences we need to work through, but do so with brotherly charity.
(And I believe they should do the same, and many will, I know from experience).

Instead oneness people trash trinitarians at every chance, but then use their Bible translations, commentaries, lexicons, concordinances , hymns, sermons, blogs, and even their heros (Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Wesley), it reeks of irony and inconsistency.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Little something here for you. You really should let the Word say what it says, not what you want it to say.

Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsəˈdʒiːsəs/; from the Greek preposition εἰς "into" and the ending from the English word exegesis, which in turn is derived from ἐξηγεῖσθαι "to lead out")[1] is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text.[2] The act is often used to "prove" a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective.

That is exactly what the Trinitarians did. Anyone clearly understands that the mindset of a person predisposes a translator to choose those specific words that conform to their ideology.

the Trinitarians translated choosing the words that conformed to their Trinitarian beliefs.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

That is exactly what the Trinitarians did. Anyone clearly understands that the mindset of a person predisposes a translator to choose those specific words that conform to their ideology.

the Trinitarians translated choosing the words that conformed to their Trinitarian beliefs.

You're doing the same thing. Let the word say what it says, even if it's inconvenient. I've read your website. You pick and choose and twist just to get your desired point. Let the Bible do its job.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

You're doing the same thing. Let the word say what it says, even if it's inconvenient. I've read your website. You pick and choose and twist just to get your desired point. Let the Bible do its job.

I twist???
where???