Partial Preterist?

[Abiding Now]

I'm see the words used so could someone give me the short version of what a partial preterist believes.
Thanks.

[mfblume]

Kingdom Eschatology is what I call it and is the view that almost all Biblical prophecy is past (excluding the The Second Coming, The Resurrection and The Judgment).

Kingdom Eschatology refers to that wide spectrum of thought which is not fully Futurist, but which incorporates some portion of what the Futurist view has to offer. Some, but not all, prophecies were fulfilled in the destruction of the Jewish nation in A.D. 70. The "big three" prophecies are yet future - the Great Judgment, Resurrection and Second Coming of Christ.

These events are yet future:

The coming (parousia) of Christ
The resurrection of the dead
The resurrection of the living
The (final) judgment
The end of history

The scriptures in Matthew 24 that have been taken to speak about the rapture are misapplied references to the rapture. The true rapture references are in 1 Corinthians 15, and other places.

some of the references to the coming of the Son of Man do not refer to the rapture, but rather to a judgment that occurred in 70 AD.

Kingdom Eschatologists believe the following verses literally:

Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus' wrath came in their day, their generation. It was a monumental event for the City of Jerusalem to be destroyed, as you read in the latter part of Matthew 23, for they crucified Him in ultimate unbelief. As the cross is central to the entire Bible, the Jerusalem rejection of Christ through crucifying Him, was the greatest evil accomplished, thus giving credence to the view that the great amount of prophetic scriptures deal with the destruction of Jerusalem yet to come in 70 AD.

As opposed to a visible temple and physical Kingdom, His Kingdom is invisible and is in you. And it came at Pentecost, but was confirmed as God's only concern in 70 AD.

Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It will be made manifest to all the souls of humanity after He returns.

Generally speaking, Kingdom Eschatology denies dispensationalism. It teaches that there are only two covenants of God's concern. Old Testament and New Testament. Kingdom Eschatologists note that the New Testament refers to no other divisions besides Old Testament and New Testament.

We propose that the entire 70 weeks of Daniel, as per Daniel 9:24-27, have been totally fulfilled in uninterrupted sequence. There is no gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.

(That means that there is no future tribulation period of seven years or 3.5 years.)

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Kingdom Eschatology is what I call it and is the view that almost all Biblical prophecy is past (excluding the The Second Coming, The Resurrection and The Judgment).

Kingdom Eschatology refers to that wide spectrum of thought which is not fully Futurist, but which incorporates some portion of what the Futurist view has to offer. Some, but not all, prophecies were fulfilled in the destruction of the Jewish nation in A.D. 70. The "big three" prophecies are yet future - the Great Judgment, Resurrection and Second Coming of Christ.

These events are yet future:

The coming (parousia) of Christ
The resurrection of the dead
The resurrection of the living
The (final) judgment
The end of history

The scriptures in Matthew 24 that have been taken to speak about the rapture are misapplied references to the rapture. The true rapture references are in 1 Corinthians 15, and other places.

some of the references to the coming of the Son of Man do not refer to the rapture, but rather to a judgment that occurred in 70 AD.

Kingdom Eschatologists believe the following verses literally:

Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus' wrath came in their day, their generation. It was a monumental event for the City of Jerusalem to be destroyed, as you read in the latter part of Matthew 23, for they crucified Him in ultimate unbelief. As the cross is central to the entire Bible, the Jerusalem rejection of Christ through crucifying Him, was the greatest evil accomplished, thus giving credence to the view that the great amount of prophetic scriptures deal with the destruction of Jerusalem yet to come in 70 AD.

As opposed to a visible temple and physical Kingdom, His Kingdom is invisible and is in you. And it came at Pentecost, but was confirmed as God's only concern in 70 AD.

Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It will be made manifest to all the souls of humanity after He returns.

Generally speaking, Kingdom Eschatology denies dispensationalism. It teaches that there are only two covenants of God's concern. Old Testament and New Testament. Kingdom Eschatologists note that the New Testament refers to no other divisions besides Old Testament and New Testament.

We propose that the entire 70 weeks of Daniel, as per Daniel 9:24-27, have been totally fulfilled in uninterrupted sequence. There is no gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.

(That means that there is no future tribulation period of seven years or 3.5 years.)

OK Thanks. Could you expound on the bolded? Are they speaking of an actual "coming" of Jesus?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

OK Thanks. Could you expound on the bolded? Are they speaking of an actual "coming" of Jesus?

The coming is Greek is actually presence, and is by no means physical. Isaiah 10 says God used heathen armies to afflict jerusalem. its that idea. His physical coming is yet to come and takes us to the white throne.

It's the coming in matthew 21:40 that is in 24.

[FlamingZword]

I was just about to answer with all the same exact words that Mike used, but he beat me to it.

[Michael The Disciple]

So when its all said and done no difference between partial pret and pre trib. No future trib to face and Jesus can come any minute. Amen?

[KeptByTheWord]

Bro. Blume... do you see anything in scripture that gives any indication as to when the Lord will be finished with the earth as it has been for the last 6000 years or so, and when it will be all wrapped up with the White Throne Judgment? Not asking you to step out on a limb, and give a date or time, (lol) but... are there any specific events that need to take place before we face the WTJ?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So when its all said and done no difference between partial pret and pre trib. No future trib to face and Jesus can come any minute. Amen?

I just can't get away from the fact that the DAY OF THE LORD that is spoken about through both the OT and NT has still yet to come... and that day is always spoken of taking place with great wrath and suffering.

[Originalist]

Let's lighten these eschatology debates up a bit!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Bro. Blume... do you see anything in scripture that gives any indication as to when the Lord will be finished with the earth as it has been for the last 6000 years or so, and when it will be all wrapped up with the White Throne Judgment? Not asking you to step out on a limb, and give a date or time, (lol) but... are there any specific events that need to take place before we face the WTJ?

I believe there will be a time of trouble when the devil is loosed for a season and wreak havoc against the church, which posttribbers will mistaken for the great trib of Matthew 24, and that will occur just before the resurrection.

(And I told this to Michael before but he forgot)

Rev 20:7-9 KJV And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

So, no Michael, it is not lilke pretrib.

And KeptByTheWord, this is the only indication I see of the resurrection to come. We're in the thousand years. That means at the end of that figurative LOOONG time period the devil will be loosed. That is trouble.