Listening to these scriptures and it dawned on me-- these verses destroy doctrines related to the various legalisms that have plagued certain parts of the Pentecostal Movement!
Not only does it destroy legalisms, it also destroys the idea that although we can be forgiven, our sins are not washed away until baptism.
"Do you see what I see?"
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12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
First it says we are buried with him, and risen with him, in baptism. Then, the very next verse says we are 'quickened together with him'. This being made alive together with him corresponds to being 'risen with him'. Since being risen with him occurs in baptism, we are made alive together with him in baptism. Therefore, baptism is part of regeneration.
Furthermore, Acts 22:16 says 'be baptised and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord'. Thus, according to the NT, washing away of sins is united to baptism in the name of the Lord.
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
First it says we are buried with him, and risen with him, in baptism. Then, the very next verse says we are 'quickened together with him'. This being made alive together with him corresponds to being 'risen with him'. Since being risen with him occurs in baptism, we are made alive together with him in baptism. Therefore, baptism is part of regeneration.
Furthermore, Acts 22:16 says 'be baptised and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord'. Thus, according to the NT, washing away of sins is united to baptism in the name of the Lord.
its eaiser to just accept the lord jebus as your personal savior and be done.
its dryer too.
Easier and dryer are not valid reasons for or against citing that one must be baptized in for one's sins to be washed away.
I am saying that Colosians 2:11-23 indicates that one does not have to be baptized for sins to be washed away-- at least that is what I thought when I was listening to it earlier.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
I am saying that Colosians 2:11-23 indicates that one does not have to be baptized for sins to be washed away-- at least that is what I thought when I was listening to it earlier.
I don't see what you saw.
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11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
I see that the sins are removed in the burial (baptism).
Easier and dryer are not valid reasons for or against citing that one must be baptized in for one's sins to be washed away.
I am saying that Colosians 2:11-23 indicates that one does not have to be baptized for sins to be washed away-- at least that is what I thought when I was listening to it earlier.
Do you REALLY think the apostles went around making sure nobody thought sins were washed away in baptism?
Really?
I just do not understand why the constant inability to just take the bible for what it says. Baptism is for the remission of sins. Baptism saves us. 'Be baptised and wash away your sins'. These are not statements made by people who find it necessary to make sure everyone knows 'baptism doesn't save us' or 'baptism is not necessary for sins to be remitted or washed away'.
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
First it says we are buried with him, and risen with him, in baptism. Then, the very next verse says we are 'quickened together with him'. This being made alive together with him corresponds to being 'risen with him'. Since being risen with him occurs in baptism, we are made alive together with him in baptism. Therefore, baptism is part of regeneration.
Furthermore, Acts 22:16 says 'be baptised and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord'. Thus, according to the NT, washing away of sins is united to baptism in the name of the Lord.
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