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08-24-2013, 10:30 PM
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Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Tonght I went to a Tennessee Titans football preseason game with my friend AFF poster Pianoman.
As we were crossing the street and walking into the stadium there was a gauntlet of so called Christians with signs and one with a loudspeaker.
The guy with the loudspeaker addressed an older man ahead of us who was walking with to other men. the older man had a beer can in his hand and upon seeing it the "christian" said to him "thats all right. I was a drunk also at one time" followed up by "God loves you sinner!".
What an absolute jerk. Even if he sincerely believed what he said it was very counter productive to connecting with anybody about Jesus and the Gospel.
Pianoman and I observed that really the devil doesn't have to do very much overt work himself here on earth as there are plenty of people who call themselves christians who do his work for him.
No wonder people have such a bad taste in their mouth about christians.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2013, 10:48 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
That is so sad, and irritating, to hear.
One false christian can do as much or more damage than 1000 who actively oppose it.
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08-24-2013, 10:54 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Kind of reminds me of a Tee-shirt I saw in the window of a store in San Diego a few years ago.....it read....."Jesus, Please protect me from your followers"
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08-24-2013, 11:50 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Tonght I went to a Tennessee Titans football preseason game with my friend AFF poster Pianoman.
As we were crossing the street and walking into the stadium there was a gauntlet of so called Christians with signs and one with a loudspeaker.
The guy with the loudspeaker addressed an older man ahead of us who was walking with to other men. the older man had a beer can in his hand and upon seeing it the "christian" said to him "thats all right. I was a drunk also at one time" followed up by "God loves you sinner!".
What an absolute jerk. Even if he sincerely believed what he said it was very counter productive to connecting with anybody about Jesus and the Gospel.
Pianoman and I observed that really the devil doesn't have to do very much overt work himself here on earth as there are plenty of people who call themselves christians who do his work for him.
No wonder people have such a bad taste in their mouth about christians.
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I have a lot of respect for Christians who witness. They are being obedient to Christ. Those who do not witness are being disobedient. Yeshua Christ called people snakes and foxes in his witnessing.
People have FORGOTTEN that a sinner CANNOT BE SAVED unless they understand they are a sinner.
It is written that Paul preached righteousness, temperance and judgment to come. Im sure there were those timid souls who were offended by such preaching.
Don't forget that as many people get saved through the preaching of the fear of God as the love of God. Also understand you will get no one saved until they admit they are a sinner. Since most young people spend 12 years in school learning God does not even exist and that right and wrong are purely subjective their conscience is not an ally to your witness.
In witnessing their conscience must be educated by truth then pricked by it. Hats off to the brave people who take Christ seriously!
Nonetheless one should employ wisdom in the sense of being led by the Spirit in their witnessing. Sometimes it may seem gentle and kind. Other times it may seem hard and offensive.
Let us not use those who maybe lack such wisdom as an excuse for our own lack of witnessing. The world is filled with people who are not saved, dying to hear the truth.
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08-25-2013, 10:51 AM
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Michael, if you think what I described is an effective way of witnessing I feel sorry for you and believe you are perhaps confusing old testament judges and prophets with the New Testament ministry.
While Jesus and the Apostles were bold in their preaching they did not engage in this type behavior.
Just because a man has a beer in his hand does not mean he is a drunk as this "christian" stated. The "christian" also had no way of knowing that mans status with God and called him "a sinner".
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-25-2013, 12:06 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Mark 9:38 - 40
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
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08-25-2013, 01:42 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Mark 9:38 - 40
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
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Yes? And?
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08-25-2013, 01:56 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Michael, if you think what I described is an effective way of witnessing I feel sorry for you and believe you are perhaps confusing old testament judges and prophets with the New Testament ministry.
While Jesus and the Apostles were bold in their preaching they did not engage in this type behavior.
Just because a man has a beer in his hand does mean he is a drunk as this "christian" stated. The "christian" also had no way of knowing that mans status with God and called him "a sinner".
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Well I have witnessed enough to know that at least GENERALLY if the man he addressed indeed WAS a child of God he would have spoke up and identified himself as such.
I don't know how you witness but I know that unless one understands he is a sinner he cannot be saved. Most of us are a bit uncomfortable to press home that truth to other people especially to those who know nothing or very little of scripture.
How do you know what kind of behavior Christ engaged in while witnessing? He seems like he was FAR and I do mean FAR more bold than men today.
He told people they would burn in Hell if they lust after women in their hearts!
He told people if they hate not their Father, Mother, Brothers and Sisters even their own lives they could not be his disciple!
He told men they would give an account to him for every idle word they ever spoke!
He said men hated him because he testified to them their works were evil! On and on it goes.
The Church members of today are offended in the Christ of the Bible. Its no wonder they do not witness. They by and large know him not.
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08-25-2013, 02:44 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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It doesn't have to be done by me or EXACTLY like I would do it to be accepted.
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08-25-2013, 03:09 PM
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It doesn't have to be done by me or EXACTLY like I would do it to be accepted.
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I agree. It is CCI who is limiting what God will do through someone.
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