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03-25-2013, 09:36 PM
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Criticism of oneness doctrine-
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?
Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.
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03-25-2013, 09:49 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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Originally Posted by pinasamb
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?
Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.
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No but those don't make sense as "arguments"...
Modalism does not have an evolutionary God who changes...and Oneness is not really modalism
Modalism does not teach "we have an exclusive truth apart from Systematic Theology"...that it's not inline with confessions or creeds don't prove it's not biblical
What does "authority of the Holy Spirit in history" mean?
"pagan roots" is a rather subjective argument as is the "incoherent" argument since everyone claims the other persons theology is incoherent
Oneness teaches Jesus is God incarnate...so that's a false argument
Truth is not replaced with relativism concerning God. We believe the bible is an absolute truth and authority on who and what God is.
Trinity and Mohammed?
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03-25-2013, 09:55 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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No but those don't make sense as "arguments"...
Modalism does not have an evolutionary God who changes...and Oneness is not really modalism
Modalism does not teach "we have an exclusive truth apart from Systematic Theology"...that it's not inline with confessions or creeds don't prove it's not biblical
What does "authority of the Holy Spirit in history" mean?
"pagan roots" is a rather subjective argument as is the "incoherent" argument since everyone claims the other persons theology is incoherent
Oneness teaches Jesus is God incarnate...so that's a false argument
Truth is not replaced with relativism concerning God. We believe the bible is an absolute truth and authority on who and what God is.
Trinity and Mohammed?
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LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Trinity people made of Oneness doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Trinity folks do not know what we believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Oneness folks cannot articulate Oneness doctrine either. Its no wonder Trinity people are confused about us!
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03-25-2013, 10:05 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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Originally Posted by pinasamb
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?
Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.
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Bolded are what Oneness people say about Trinitarians as well.
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Originally Posted by pinasamb
LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Trinity people made of Oneness doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Trinity folks do not know what we believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Oneness folks cannot articulate Oneness doctrine either. Its no wonder Trinity people are confused about us!
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The above quote can also be said this way and be just as true -
"LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Oneness people made of Trinitarian doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Oneness folks do not know what ** believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Trinity folks cannot articulate Trinitarian doctrine either. Its no wonder Oneness people are confused about **!"
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03-25-2013, 10:06 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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Bolded are what Oneness people say about Trinitarians as well.
The above quote can also be said this way and be just as true -
"LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Oneness people made of Trinitarian doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Oneness folks do not know what ** believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Trinity folks cannot articulate Trinitarian doctrine either. Its no wonder Oneness people are confused about **!"
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03-26-2013, 07:23 AM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
Beside the fact that God exists and is Creator there is no truth as glorious and magnificent than Oneness. I will define it that the Christ (Yeshua) is both the Everlasting Father and the Begotten Son.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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03-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Beside the fact that God exists and is Creator there is no truth as glorious and magnificent than Oneness. I will define it that the Christ (Yeshua) is both the Everlasting Father and the Begotten Son.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. |
How cool is this MTD? He raised Himself from the dead.
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Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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03-26-2013, 12:37 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
This division of brothers and sisters about the Godhead makes me sad.
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03-26-2013, 12:41 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
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This division of brothers and sisters about the Godhead makes me sad.
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Me too.
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03-26-2013, 12:48 PM
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Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
I am over the whole bickering about the Godhead. Like many here I have had fellowship with both groups and I think that we all say the same thing in a different way and we worship the same God. Trinitarian,Oneness or Twoness who cares?????
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Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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