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Death Sentence for Arsonist?
I remember the wildfires that swept southern california back in 2003-- and the wild speculations about how it started.
I figured it was accidental.
Apparently, there is a judge in so cal who thinks it wasn't accidental and has ascribed so much malice to the guy, that the only punishment best for him is the death penalty.
I disagree with the death penalty in this case.
Here are some of the details.
What do you think?
http://news.yahoo.com/arsonist-gets-...085458439.html
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01-29-2013, 12:26 PM
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
Is it justifiable? IMO, 100% yes. 5 people died as a direct result of his actions. Do I support the death penalty, generally speaking? I'm iffy on that one.
Considering this guy's history, I doubt that he cared if anyone died in that fire; I think he would meet a more merciful court if the fire were the only thing on the table.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
Why is a judge making that decision? They are supposed to be impartial.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
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Why is a judge making that decision? They are supposed to be impartial.
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The Jury recommended the sentence.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
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Why is a judge making that decision? They are supposed to be impartial.
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He didn't; the jury recommended the death penalty. The judge then had the option of reducing the jury's recommendation to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He declined and went with the jury's recommendation.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
Many reason that the death penalty should only be applied when violent crimes are committed. I submit that it should be applied when the severity of the crime reaches a certain threshold, violent or not. For instance someone who steals a billion plus dollars from hundreds or thousands of people and thus ruins many of their lives should receive the same severe punishment as someone who breaks into a home and slaughters the whole family. Pain is pain no matter how much it is dispersed.
So should an arsonist receive death if his actions were malicious and it costs X amount of dollars to fight and cause X amount of damage (over a certain threshold)? Yes.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
Then JD's post is misleading
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
If we had more death sentences then maybe someone might think twice.
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
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Then JD's post is misleading
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I am not a huge advocate for the death penalty, but the crime here is not just arson, but murder.
"Fowler was convicted in August of five counts of first-degree murder and two counts of arson."
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Re: Death Sentence for Arsonist?
Here's an important quote from the linked article:
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"A decade after a raging fire swept through Southern California's San Bernardino foothills, an arsonist was sentenced to death for causing the deaths of five men who died of heart attacks.
...They died of heart attacks allegedly brought on by the stress of evacuating their homes as flames raged."
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