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12-17-2012, 09:56 PM
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Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
Why don't the oneness Pentecostals believe in the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb?
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12-17-2012, 10:10 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
Why don't the oneness Pentecostals believe in the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb?
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Why don't you?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-17-2012, 10:41 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Why don't you?
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Great.....non answer.
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12-17-2012, 10:43 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
Why don't the oneness Pentecostals believe in the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb?
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I think OP's believe in the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb.
1. Some believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away by the blood the moment a person calls on the Lord for mercy.
2. Others believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away when the name "Jesus" with or without titles such as "Lord" and/or "Christ" is invoked in water baptism
3. Others believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away when a person is baptized in the Spirit (BUT only if they had been baptized "correctly and properly" in water)
Still others muddy it all up even more by making a difference between forgiveness of sin and remission of sin even though the same Greek word is translated by those 2 different English words.
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12-17-2012, 10:48 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Originally Posted by Sam
I think OP's believe in the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb.
1. Some believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away by the blood the moment a person calls on the Lord for mercy.
2. Others believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away when the name "Jesus" with or without titles such as "Lord" and/or "Christ" is invoked.
3. Others believe that sin is forgiven/remitted/washed away when a person is baptized in the Spirit (BUT only if they had been baptized "correctly and properly" in water)
Still others muddy it all up even more by making a difference between forgiveness of sin and remission of sin even though the same Greek word is translated by those 2 different English words.
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What brought this on is the requirement, by some, for a person to speak in tongues and be baptized 'correctly'. Wish someone who has such a view would comment on the application and the sufficiency of the redemptive blood of the Lamb.
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12-17-2012, 11:06 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Great.....non answer.
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To a great logcal fallacy. Keep up the good work
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2013, 11:01 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
As one who is a oness Apostolic Pentecostal . At the time of water baptism in the Name of Jesus the blood is applied . This is what we believe. You have to repent, be baptized and speak in unknown tongues as God comes in to your life. We do not believe in once saved always as some do fir you can fall.
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02-16-2013, 11:28 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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As one who is a oness Apostolic Pentecostal . At the time of water baptism in the Name of Jesus the blood is applied . This is what we believe. You have to repent, be baptized and speak in unknown tongues as God comes in to your life. We do not believe in once saved always as some do fir you can fall.
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Assuming you're correct on the blood being applied at baptism, is that sufficient for redemption without the subsequent speaking in tongues?
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02-17-2013, 02:15 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
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Assuming you're correct on the blood being applied at baptism, is that sufficient for redemption without the subsequent speaking in tongues?
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I can't see anywhere in the Bible that states that you need to speak in tongues to be saved. I can see where the inference may appear; however, I don't necessarily subscribe to that.
The Bible however; does teach that you must be baptised for the remission of sins.
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02-17-2013, 07:39 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostals and The Blood Of The Lamb
The all sufficiency of the blood doctrine seems to be a buzzword for "believe only" one time and youre saved forever.
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