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07-27-2012, 07:15 PM
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Military Service
How do you feel about Christians serving in military service. Does the believe have a right to take another human life under any circumstance?
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07-27-2012, 08:14 PM
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Re: Military Service
Don't get me started!
People try to act like the New Testament somehow makes a just killing wrong when the truth is that God's moral law has never changed.
One of the 10 commandments is not to kill yet the Children of Israel killed an awful lot of people under God's blessing and direction.
Clearly there are distinctions between murder and just killing such as serving to enforce the laws of a country as a policeman or a country's security interests by being a soldier.
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07-27-2012, 08:29 PM
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Re: Military Service
It's not an easy question unless one is convinced they are serving under a theocratic system.
At the minimum the killing has to be "just". For some the question is easy when serving a country like the US. But what about serving a country (and killing on their behalf) that is run by Al Qaeda?
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07-27-2012, 08:49 PM
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Re: Military Service
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But what about serving a country (and killing on their behalf) that is run by Al Qaeda?
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That would be a question for Allah!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-27-2012, 08:55 PM
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Re: Military Service
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Originally Posted by CC1
Don't get me started!
People try to act like the New Testament somehow makes a just killing wrong when the truth is that God's moral law has never changed.
One of the 10 commandments is not to kill yet the Children of Israel killed an awful lot of people under God's blessing and direction.
Clearly there are distinctions between murder and just killing such as serving to enforce the laws of a country as a policeman or a country's security interests by being a soldier.
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Or someone who tries to take the life of me or my wife, in our own home, at 2 am.
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07-27-2012, 10:04 PM
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Re: Military Service
The Bible says: do not murder, which is totally different than killing.
When I go hunting, I kill a deer, I don't murder a deer.
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07-27-2012, 10:43 PM
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Re: Military Service
My father was never right in his thinking after serving two wars. Innocent people that governments call "collateral damage" die. I think that is what affected him the most.
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07-27-2012, 10:47 PM
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Re: Military Service
Funny. The only examples you can find are in the O.T.
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07-28-2012, 08:28 AM
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Re: Military Service
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At the minimum the killing has to be "just". For some the question is easy when serving a country like the US.
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American armed forces aren't as "just" as you assume... come to think of it, neither is the American government and it's foreign policy. Where were those weapons of mass destruction that Iraq supposedly had?
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07-28-2012, 10:59 AM
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Re: Military Service
The New Testament never supports any type of killing in this current dispensation. We see a shift from God establishing an earthly kingdom through Israel to now establishing a spiritual kingdom through His church. Why don't you give me a scirptural definition or example, relevent to this dispensation, of a "just killing"?
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