Well, the Emperor does it again

[Sam]

The Emperor has again bypassed the legislative branch and offered amnesty to illegal aliens er, uhh, undocumented guests......



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...er-immigrants/

[Bro. Robbins]

He is a mentally ill narcissist, who specializes in soft tyrrany, and is in the infant stages of tyring to emulate Hugo Chavez. He is dangerous, an ego maniac, and a threat to the American way.

To actually award criminals for their criminal activity.... amazes me. Simply amazes me.

[SiblingRevelry]

And what, exactly, do you propose to do with 800,000 people who were brought here as children and grew up here? Just ship them back, dump them over the border and wash your hands of them? They didn't exactly have a choice to come here when they were kids (right, your four year old is going to say, Mama, I don't want to be illegal in America--get real).

What we have right now is an exploitable and exploited underclass of people who haven't been back to their native lands, probably don't speak the language or have any connections, and the (let me just whip out the big old thumping Bible here) Christian thing to do is to round 'em up and send them back?

Exodus 22:21: Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

From a sociopolitical perspective, the idea of sending hundreds of thousands or millions of people back to countries they've not seen in a long time is just asking for trouble. For example, you cannot dump a few million people over the Mexican border without it introducing even more instability in what is already a very bad situation.

I'm probably making a huge mistake wading into this, but I'm flat-out tired of the "send 'em back" nonsense without considering all the consequences. And there are consequences--and not all of them or even most of them are good.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

And what, exactly, do you propose to do with 800,000 people who were brought here as children and grew up here? Just ship them back, dump them over the border and wash your hands of them? They didn't exactly have a choice to come here when they were kids (right, your four year old is going to say, Mama, I don't want to be illegal in America--get real).

What we have right now is an exploitable and exploited underclass of people who haven't been back to their native lands, probably don't speak the language or have any connections, and the (let me just whip out the big old thumping Bible here) Christian thing to do is to round 'em up and send them back?

Exodus 22:21: Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

From a sociopolitical perspective, the idea of sending hundreds of thousands or millions of people back to countries they've not seen in a long time is just asking for trouble. For example, you cannot dump a few million people over the Mexican border without it introducing even more instability in what is already a very bad situation.

I'm probably making a huge mistake wading into this, but I'm flat-out tired of the "send 'em back" nonsense without considering all the consequences. And there are consequences--and not all of them or even most of them are good.

The bad economy has already shown with the huge reduction in illegal immigrants that if we turn the magnets off, they will leave for the most part on their own. Has been happening in big ways.

Turn off the free healthcare, turn off free education to children of illegals.... make it illegal for landlords to rent to them with huge fines... make it illegal for hospitals to treat them... turn off the anchor baby law so that their children don't become citizens by merely being born here.... make it illegal for them to have bank accounts and fine banks that allow it... and more than anything... build a huge wall, that has physical troops on the border, with drones, electrify it, and set boobie traps.

You turn off the magnets that make it so appealing to come here illegally, and they will leave in droves... and we can pick the rest up and ship them back.

And you can post all the scripture you want about a stranger, but you are taking out of context. We're talking about criminals that have violated the law invading our nation.... that's a huge difference. They are CRIMINALS invading my homeland.

[Aquila]

Leading a nation can be difficult. Justice is very important. What would Moses do?

Leviticus 19:33-34: And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 22:21: Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9: Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 10:19: Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Many of these people are very poor and couldn't afford to legally immigrate. And for the chance of a better life... they basically flee here. Now... we have undocumented numbers of these strangers among us. What to do... what to do. Is becoming a "police state" and criminalizing everything necessary to catch them and deport them the answer? How much would that cost the government, local communities, and businesses? What would be the human cost with the dividing families? Is it worth it? Some say yes.

Others say no. Others realize that our immigration process is antiquated, costly, and takes forever. Others argue that the cost of becoming a "police state" and declaring a "War on Aliens" would most likely be as costly and as ineffective as the "War on Drugs". So they feel that if these strangers among us cannot be implicated in any criminal activity and have been living peacefully among us, working among us, contributing to society among us... they should be granted amnesty. They see it as cheaper, less socially destablizing, and more humane.

So... personally... what would amnesty hurt. There is a time for amnesty and a time not to grant amnesty. What is amnesty?

Definition of AMNESTY : the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals

— amnesty transitive verb

We have to resolve this issue. We either have to get these people documented and on the books... or we have to go "police state" on them and round them up and ship them home.

And what about the impact on you and I? More traffic stops... more requirements to show ID... more requirements to carry papers... more questions at airports, toll roads, boarder crossings, etc. Higher fees as more people have to be employed from cops to agents working at gates and transportation hubs. People hate flying with all the new safety regulations... imagine what it would be like trying to get from place to place in states where illegal immigration is high if they did a "police crack down".

I can see why some consider amnesty our best option to resolve the problem. Amnesty isn't a bad thing. It's a legitimate power of government. It also doesn't erase that a crime was committed. It simply pardons the offender.

If you were an illegal immigrant or your father or mother was... what would you be praying for?

Eh... just questions and thoughts rattling around in this idiotic head of mine.



I'm in the mood for potato chips. Mmmm... potato chips.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And what about the impact on you and I? More traffic stops... more requirements to show ID... more requirements to carry papers... more questions at airports, toll roads, boarder crossings, etc. Higher fees as more people have to be employed from cops to agents working at gates and transportation hubs. People hate flying with all the new safety regulations... imagine what it would be like trying to get from place to place in states where illegal immigration is high if they did a "police crack down".

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Obviously you don't believe in racial profiling.....

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Obviously you don't believe in racial profiling.....

No... if they are looking for an Arab man... they should stop and search Arab men. lol Duh.

[Bro. Robbins]

well, then there's not going to be an inconvenience to me a white guy....cause we're not overrun with white guys invading our country.

The fact is, this is an invasion of Criminals. They have no respect for the rule of law, and have decided they somehow have a right to invade our nation and be law breakers. Criminals need to be treated as criminals and not rewarded for breaking the law.

Turn off all the magents drawing them here, stop giving them any freebies that should only go to citizens, and criminalize anyone who harbors or helps them in their criminal activity (of being here illegally). Prosecute pastors who know members of the congregation are here illegal as well.....

Do that, and they'll leave on their own for the most part. I don't want to reward murderers, drug dealers, drunk drivers, or any other law breaker, and it's time we quit ignoring this large group of law breakers.

[Aquila]

Ahhhh... and then there is...

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

~ Emma Lazurus, Inscription on the Statue of Liberty

[Jermyn Davidson]

Several Points:

What Reagan did was FAR MORE ENCOMPASSING, but let's not bring that up here and now.

The Obama Administration has DEPORTED MORE ILLELGAL ALIENS than ANY other Adminstration in recent history, but let's not bring that up either.

This "Executive Decision" smacks of a confident politician making a very savvy political move, weeks before the GOP's announcement of Rubio as their VP.

Personally, I don't agree with this decision, but wow does he have intestinal fortitude to do such a bold move so soon before his re-election!

He's a committed Liberal, a Liberal with conviction. He stands left of center and makes no apologies for it. I don't like it, but I definitely respect it.

Anyone who wants to say that Obummer doesn't know what he's doing, or that he is an amateur in over his head, they need to take a real look at this leftist leader who has not flip-flopped or waivered on his convictions since day 1-- definitely an attribute of a COMMITTED LEADER.

Unfortunately, we cannot in the least bit say that about Romney.

Criticize Obama's politics and his bent, but this was a politically savvy and brave move and for all the criticisms of this, yet another example of leadership, there are good, patriotic points to support such a decision-- with the precedent set in our very own party, by one of our most revered leaders, Ronald Reagan.