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Old 05-17-2012, 10:24 AM
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Prosperity Gospel

Before he died in 2003, Kenneth Hagin tried to add some balance to the “Prosperity Gospel” as it was developing into something he never intended. He wrote a book called The Midas Touch” which was released in 2000 and is still available through Amazon.com. Ref http://www.amazon.com/Midas-Touch-Ba.../dp/0892765305
Some time around the Fall of 1999. he invited several ministers to a meeting at Rhema. The topic of the meeting was Excesses and error present within the “prosperity” message being taught by the major Word of Faith ministries.

This article can be found online at
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/chu...rosperitY.ASPX

Another article addressing this can be found at
http://kennethcopelandblog.com/2008/...e-of-copeland/


Kenneth Hagin’s Forgotten Warning
By J. Lee Grady
Charisma Magazine

CBN.com – Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained “Dad Hagin” started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who “try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine.” He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: “There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes.”

3. It is not biblical to “name your seed” in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive “corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature.”

4. The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

5. Preachers who claim to have a “debt-breaking” anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise “supernatural debt cancellation” to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: “There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I’m afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved.”

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person “gives right now,” as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus’ empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. “What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings,” Hagin wrote.

Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation’s microscope. It’s time to revisit Hagin’s concerns and find a biblical balance.

Hagin told his followers: “Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good.” If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn’t it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma magazine.
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:28 AM
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Re: Prosperity Gospel

3 John 2 in various versions of the Bible

Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well. NIV

Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers. NASB

I pray for good fortune in everything you do, and for your good health—that your everyday affairs prosper, as well as your soul! The Message

Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in every way and [that your body] may keep well, even as [I know] your soul keeps well and prospers. Amplified

Dear friend, I hope all is well with you and that you are as healthy in body as you are strong in spirit. NLT

Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul. ESV

dear friend, and I pray that all goes well for you. I hope that you are as strong in body, as I know you are in spirit. CEV

Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers. NKJV

My dear friend, I know your soul is doing fine, and I pray that you are doing well in every way and that your health is good. NCV

Beloved, I pray that in all things thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. ASV

beloved, concerning all things I desire thee to prosper, and to be in health, even as thy soul doth prosper, YLT

Beloved, I desire that in all things thou shouldest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers. Darby

I hope everything is going happily with you and that you are as well physically as you are spiritually Jerusalem Bible

I pray you may prosper in every way and keep well --as indeed your soul is keeping well Moffatt

I pray that you may enjoy good health, and that all may go well with you, as I know it goes well with your soul NEB

I am praying that all is well with you and that your body is as healthy as your soul is TLB

I am praying that everything prosper with you and that you be in good health, as I know you are prospering spiritually CJB

I pray that you are doing well in every way and that you are healthy, just as your soul is healthy ISV

Our beloved, dI pray above all things that you may prosper and be in good health, even as your soul prospers Syr

Beloved, I am praying that you will be prospering, and that you will be continually having good health just as your soul is prospering Wuest

Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in health; I know that it is well with your soul RSV

My prayer for you, my very dear friend, is that you may be as healthy and prosperous in every way as you are in soul Phillips

Most dear brother, of all things I make prayer, that thou enter, and fare wellfully, as thy soul doeth wellfully. Wycliffe

Dearly beloved, concerning all things I make it my prayer that thou mayest proceed prosperously and fare well, as thy soul doth prosperously Douay

Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, just as it is well with your soul NRSV

Beloved, I wish chiefly that thou prosperedst and faredst well as thy soul prospereth Geneva
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What are you trying to say, Sam?
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:34 AM
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What are you trying to say, Sam?
just thought we might get some thoughts on what it means when we hear, "God wants you to prosper."
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:36 AM
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Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well. NIV

We're the best of friends, and I pray for good fortune in everything you do, and for your good health—that your everyday affairs prosper, as well as your soul! The Message

My heartfelt prayer for you, my very dear friend, is that you may be as healthy and prosperous in every way are you are in soul. JB Phillips

Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers. NASB

Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers. NKJV

Dear friend, I hope all is well with you and that you are as healthy in body as you are strong in spirit. NLT

beloved, concerning all things I desire thee to prosper, and to be in health, even as thy soul doth prosper, YLT

looks like that word translated “prosper” in our New Testament meant: “to help on the road, succeed in reaching, to succeed in business, to have a prosperous journey” seems like it is a wish that we thrive and do well spiritually, mentally, emotionally and financially.
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Back in the nineteen fifties when I was 17 or 18 and a new Christian I read an autobiography of Oral Roberts. That was back when he was on radio and television and published a magazine regularly. Recently I read the last book he wrote before his death and I’ve been thinking about him and his ministry and that autobiography that I read over half a century ago. A couple of weeks ago at our midweek service, our pastor’s wife read 3 John 2 from her New Living Translation and then we read it from the King James Version and talked about it a little. I related the story I’d read many years ago about the impact that verse had on Oral Roberts’ life and ministry.

At the age of 16 he left home and moved to a different county in Oklahoma where he went to high school, worked and played basketball. One night he.. collapsed on the basketball court with blood pouring from his nose. HIs coach took him back home to his family where he was diagnosed as having tuberculosis in both lungs. He lost about one fourth of his body weight and looked like a 6 foot skeleton. He lost the ability to walk. He spent weeks in bed and although people prayed for him, he grew progressively worse.

An evangelist named George Moncey came to the nearby town of Ada, pitched a tent and began to preach on healing. Oral’s brother Elmer heard the preacher and saw miracles happening. He took his last 35 cents for gas and went to get Oral to bring him to the revival to be healed. Oral wasn’t even able to get out of bed so he helped him get dressed and carried him to the car. They put Oral in the.. back seat and Elmer and his Mom and Dad sat in the front. While they were driving to the town, Oral lay in the back listening to the buzz of the voices from the front seat. Suddenly it became very quiet and he felt like he was alone there in the car. The sound of the voices faded and he heard God speak to him saying, “Son, I am going to heal you and you are to take My healing power to your generation. You are to build Me a university and build it on My authority and the Holy Spirit.”

When they arrived at the meeting they placed.. him in a rocking chair with pillows around him because his body was so sore. The preacher preached that God not only saved but that He also healed and that supernatural gifts of the Spirit were available. After the service, Oral Roberts was healed after suffering from tuberculosis for months. He was also healed of a stuttering condition he had since birth.

12 years later he was pastoring a church in Enid, OK and going to college. Even though he had preached on healing, nobody in that congregation was healed. He felt in his spirit that it was time for a change in his ministry. He began to spend time in fasting and prayer and in the Word. He read the four Gospels and the Book of Acts 3 times consecutively on his knees to see how Jesus and the early church ministered...

Then, one day, something happened. He tells about it on pages.. 71-73 of “Expect A Miracle” which is his autobiography that was published in 1995. He writes:

Not only was I reading the four Gospels and Acts at special times, but I was also reading other parts of the Bible during my regular morning devotions. One particular morning, I was in a rush, and my Bible fell open to the little book.. of 3 John. When I came to the second verse and read it, my thinking about God’s desires for our lives was changed abruptly and completely.

The words seemed to knock me off my feet. I almost could not believe my eyes when I read: “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”

I read the entire one-chapter book, and as I did, the second verse kept pulling at me. As I read it over and over, it was like dawn breaking.. after a dark night; it was like experiencing the goodness of God being poured out all over me. I was His beloved, and He wanted me to prosper in every area of my life. My soul was set free, and my spirit soared with ecstasy! God had revealed His character, His very nature and, most of all, His greatest desire for our lives to me. That one simple little verse made it all come alive in the flash of a second...

I couldn’t contain myself. I called to Evelyn in the kitchen. When she came in, I handed her my Bible and asked her to read 3 John 2 out loud. As she read, I tingled all over with the presence of God. Her first reaction was the same as almost everyone’s is to this day when I share that Scripture.

“Oral, is this verse in the Bible?’

“Sure it is. You just read it.”

“Did you know it was there before this morning?”

“No, I didn’t.”

“Oral, do you mean to say you have read the Bible all these years and the past few months practically day and night, and yet you didn’t know this verse was in the Bible?”

“That’s right. I have read it many times, but I just didn’t see this verse.”

We stood there talking about this wonderful verse for several minutes. I asked Evelyn to read it just one more time. She read, “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”

I asked, “Evelyn, can you explain what God means by that verse?”

She said, “Well, I guess it means what it says.”

I sat there examining this verse as if I had it under a microscope. The verse begins with “beloved.” It is a word a man uses for his wife, his mother, his child, or his dear friend. It contains the wish of God. What is that wish? His wish is that we prosper, that we have health even as the soul prospers.

True prosperity begins in the soul and springs out into the physical from there. As the soul is strong and healthy, so God wishes the body to be strong and healthy. As our souls and bodies are strong by God’s power, so He wants us to prosper in our daily lives. That includes financial prosperity but much more: the whole of our lives in Christ.

That was a revelation to my soul.....

...I found that there was a true scriptural basis for believing that God wants man to be happy, healthy, strong, and prosperous. I saw that mankind can be delivered in soul, mind, and body.

Third John 2 became a battering ram that began to tear down the walls for a new theology! It was exactly what I needed to complete my struggle for the power of God. It closed the door to the past and opened another through which I saw the hand of Jesus of Nazareth beckoning me to enter.
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Well, the rest is, as they say, history. His ministry expanded from that little church in Oklahoma to a world.. wide ministry and lasted for another 60 plus years until his death in December, 2009.

The little epistle known as 3 John is located near the back of our Bible grouped with several other small epistles. It has only one chapter made up of 14 verses. It was written by the aged Apostle John near the end of his life to a dear friend named Gaius. It is a personal letter but by its inclusion in the Bible, it has a spiritual message that goes beyond its primary first century application to a spiritual application to each of us who read it in 2010. In His Word, God is saying to each of us, “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”

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The Lord wants your Soul to prosper, He wants you to prosper spiritually.
That's the most important prosperity message as far as I am concerned.

I do know that there are very wealthy people who's soul also prospers.
Bless them as they support many evangelists to preach the gospel.

I also know some very poor people, who prosper spiritually and have led many to the Lord.

There are some people out there who take this prosperity message way out of context.


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you can tell that the disciples of Jesus related the blessings of God to a rich man.

cause when Jesus said that it is hard for a rich man to enter heaven they said then who can be saved.
They thought that the sign of wealth was a great blessing on a man who seemed to be very Godly, they was wrong, but do to a lack of understanding
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you can tell that the disciples of Jesus related the blessings of God to a rich man.

cause when Jesus said that it is hard for a rich man to enter heaven they said then who can be saved.
They thought that the sign of wealth was a great blessing on a man who seemed to be very Godly, they was wrong, but do to a lack of understanding
God can bless people anyway He wants.
But the "prosperity message" you hear on the airwaves is many times taken out of context.

What would be more important to your soul:

1. Money and riches on earth.

or

2. Your eternal destination? (= spiritual prosperity)
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God can bless people anyway He wants.
But the "prosperity message" you hear on the airwaves is many times taken out of context.

What would be more important to your soul:

1. Money and riches on earth.

or

2. Your eternal destination? (= spiritual prosperity)
i wasnt commenting on ther prosperity message, i despise it in its current form and agree with mr hagin in his book,

however i agreed with creflo dollar wrote about Christ rightousness and the pasrt about agency. I do not endorse creflo but with this particular subject sam brough on the topic of rightousness and adam i agree.

I have seen creflo dance on money and stomp on it, in front of other people. and yell out your bills are paid. Your kids are going to college, yea that is just deception
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