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Old 04-11-2012, 07:27 PM
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Is it possible that the Bible is partly true and partly not true? Partly inspired and partly not? Does the Bible itself teach that if you reject any of the Bible, you are rejecting all of it?
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:05 AM
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Is it possible that the Bible is partly true and partly not true? Partly inspired and partly not? Does the Bible itself teach that if you reject any of the Bible, you are rejecting all of it?
I note that Christ read from a translation of the OT, and would seem to have verified its authenticity at "I came not to dismiss Law, but fulfill it."

Also, we have the warning at the end of the Revelation, Rev 22:19, that you might apply only to Revelation, or take a fuller view in light of "...this book, and another."

I seem to remem Paul speaking similarly, but your Q is a good one. Can one believe in 99.9% of a Scripture? Personally, I would consider .1% hypocrite a pretty good goal; but God prolly would not. Ty God for Grace, once again.

Not to hijack, but after one accepts "...eat my body, drink my blood," and "hate your family," as concepts, what objections might there be?
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:14 AM
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I note that Christ read from a translation of the OT, and would seem to have verified its authenticity at "I came not to dismiss Law, but fulfill it."

Also, we have the warning at the end of the Revelation, Rev 22:19, that you might apply only to Revelation, or take a fuller view in light of "...this book, and another."

I seem to remem Paul speaking similarly, but your Q is a good one. Can one believe in 99.9% of a Scripture? Personally, I would consider .1% hypocrite a pretty good goal; but God prolly would not. Ty God for Grace, once again.

Not to hijack, but after one accepts "...eat my body, drink my blood," and "hate your family," as concepts, what objections might there be?
Of course, a related question is "What does the Bible consist of?" See What's your favorite canon?

Now, please explain why it would be hypocritical not to accept 100% of some particular canon of scripture? (I guess that's what you mean?)
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Of course, a related question is "What does the Bible consist of?" See What's your favorite canon?

Now, please explain why it would be hypocritical not to accept 100% of some particular canon of scripture? (I guess that's what you mean?)
Well, it sure seems to be what most do. I don't know why, it seems non-sequitur to me, but the verse "with the measure you use, it will be measured to you," comes to mind here. I have always understood this to be related to more mundane affairs...

If I had to answer, my answer would prolly address that in accepting a particular canon, you are dismissing another anyway; and that this is a personal decision, but I would sure be 100% on whatever canon I accepted, or find one that I could be 100% on. This is mostly parsing words, imo.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:30 PM
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Well, it sure seems to be what most do. I don't know why, it seems non-sequitur to me, but the verse "with the measure you use, it will be measured to you," comes to mind here. I have always understood this to be related to more mundane affairs...

If I had to answer, my answer would prolly address that in accepting a particular canon, you are dismissing another anyway; and that this is a personal decision, but I would sure be 100% on whatever canon I accepted, or find one that I could be 100% on. This is mostly parsing words, imo.
Have you found one?
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Have you found one?
No, but then I have weird defs for...pretty much everything. "Canon" to me = "listening to men." So, I personally prefer, especially with today's tools, to read all, or at least many, translations of a Scripture, and reflect on a copy of the MSS, trusting Spirit to guide me.

But I think an important point here is, are we talking about "canon" as altered MSS, (the Catholic examples spring to mind) wherein even Scripture will tell you they "think to change times, and days," or merely alt interpretations, which can be illuminating? One instance of the former, a single one, disallows that as Scripture for me; although this has not always been true.

However, my objections are not to doctine, but "doctoring," and I have a body of evidence to support my decisions, and other believers who agree. From there, I accept that a doctrine will stand or fall on its fruit. For instance, I personally have no problem with someone who currently believes that God is going to "Rapture" them away when things get tough--even though I know what Eze 13:18 really says. What I do have a problem with is what I perceive as the fruit of the doctrine. Period.

I do have a problem with preaching unverified canon; I put that in a different cat altogether.

I should say in here somewhere that a beginning grasp of "discernment," which has only been a couple of years ago for me, was necessary to any of this.

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It is impossible for the Bible to be contradictory... or can it be?
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It is impossible for the Bible to be contradictory... or can it be?
I think you have to get down to cases there, and take them case by case. And, define "contradictory" for yourself.
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It is impossible for the Bible to be contradictory... or can it be?
It can be, and it is.
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It can be, and it is.
Yes, I know. I was being a bit TIC.
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