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Old 01-06-2012, 12:54 AM
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Is heart soul or spirit?

My understanding right now is that spirit is consciousness and that soul is mind. I understand that heart is the seat of emotion. God is love and God is spirit. So we can say love is spirit. Are all feelings and emotions spirit? i don't see equating feelings with consciousness.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:26 AM
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Re: Is heart soul or spirit?

I think that is a topic far to over thought. I have seen more writing about this than I care to think about.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:34 AM
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Re: Is heart soul or spirit?

I presently understand that the heart is part of our soul, I was meditating on this not long ago, because I was wondering where does the Holy Spirit dwell within us. I understand that He does not dwell in the fleshly heart because that's just an organ that pumps blood to keep our body alive. So we must have a spiritual heart of the inner man which is composed of the soul and spirit.

The scripture tells us that the Spirit of Christ is sent into our hearts crying Abba, Father. I also read an article that contrasted the physical temple with our body which is a temple in which God lives by His Spirit. The article broke it down into three parts, 1) We have the 'spirit' - holy of holies, 2) We have the 'soul' - inner court, and 3) We have the 'body or flesh' - outer court.

Galatians 4:6-7

"And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:45 AM
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Re: Is heart soul or spirit?

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My understanding right now is that spirit is consciousness and that soul is mind. I understand that heart is the seat of emotion. God is love and God is spirit. So we can say love is spirit. Are all feelings and emotions spirit? i don't see equating feelings with consciousness.
DM, I think [and this is just me, others may or may not agree] that we often look at such things and right off the bat, begin to entertain thoughts that "Oh, this surely must be something mysterious and complicated," when it is actually much simplier than that. Because we adults must take things and filter them through all of the accumulated bits of information we've stored in our mind's memory banks over an extended period of time, we often become confused when it comes to trying to distinquish between what is truth and what is error.

Jesus' words best helps us to understand the manner in which we must look at and consider all things - "...except ye become as little children." Simply stated, we must learn to set aside, at least temporarily, all of that knowledge we've amassed about a matter, so that we might think as a young child [who has no such hinderances] is able to objectively consider things. We must learn to think like a child; recognizing and acknowledging our inherent ignorance of all things, and then seek God's guidance to help us to determine the truth. He did tell us to "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." (Matthew 7:7-8)

Therefore to determine a proper answer to your question, I believe one must begin by learning some basic facts; what do the words soul and spirit mean? Are they synonymous? Where should one look to determine the answers? The Bible, of course!

When Jesus responded to the scribe who inquired of Him concerning the greatest commandment, He said, "...thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength" (Mark 12:30) Was Jesus referring to three distinctively different things when he used the words heart, soul, and mind? Of course not! He was simply, and only, using these words to refer to the same thing; the actual "seat" of one's emotional and spiritual being - his eternal invisible soul. [Please note: Jesus never used the word spirit here, however, He did so in another passage where He advises us how we must worship God - see John 4:24 - so what is the difference?]

When we examine what the word spirit means or implies in both Hebrew and Greek Lexicons, we discover that they each tell us that it is referring to the "breath," that element which God gives each person as they inhale that first gulp of oxygen after emerging from their mother's womb. Thus we discover that when Jesus [in the words of John 4:24] tells us that we "must worship him in spirit and in truth," what He is telling us is that we must worship God by the words of our mouth. This also aids in our understanding that when the language of the Bible speaks of the spirit of man, it is referring to his breath. There are also many instances wherein this word is also used to refer to one's zeal, zest or enthusiasm [i.e., he was mean-spirited]. This is simply God's way of concealing the understanding of things, and only allowing the "elect" to be privileged of recognizing it's inherent meaning.

The words of Ecclesiastes 12:7 advises us that at the moment of one's death, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Did God give man a body? Of course not... He formed it from the dust of the earth, therefore it is to that place it must return at it's death. But God did give man a spirit [i.e., breath] when He breathes into his nostrils at the moment of birth, at which time his eternal invisible soul becomes a living thing, and when He removes it from our bodies, it will return once again to Him.

With these things being stated, then it is my belief that the words soul and spirit are NOT synonymous; the soul being the seat of man's eternal invisible emotional and spiritual self; and at death, the soul returns to it's former condition of reality - inanimate - and remains present in the dust of the earth until it is restored to life again at the coming resurrection; while his spirit [i.e., the breath] which previously enabled both soul and body to co-exist in an animated, living condition, must "return to God who gave it" it to man at his birth.

I hope that this will be of some help to you.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:50 AM
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Re: Is heart soul or spirit?

I believe that the heart is in the soul area of emotions, appetites, and desires. Also in that area of the soul is the mind of decision. When the mind acts on something then it relates it to the heart of the soul where it is recognized and felt and then acted out through the body. And on the contrary the same is true in reverse when something is first felt or recognized from the external part of the body that goes in to carnal portion of the mind and then is acted out through the emotional portion of the soul and body.
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Heart and Soul. Bet ya can't watch this and not smile!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzvrz...eature=related
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Re: Is heart soul or spirit?

thanks for the responses guys. I really thought this would be a dead thread. from the scripture tyrone quoted, it would seem that heart is synonymous with spirit. From the scripture lafon quoted, heart could be either soul or spirit. i'm also thinking heart could be synonymous with subconscious or it could be the center of our being.
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timmy, you are so trivial, are you ever serious about anything? do you ever ponder eternity, afterlife, origin of creation, etc...
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timmy, you are so trivial, are you ever serious about anything? do you ever ponder eternity, afterlife, origin of creation, etc...
Of course! See Timmy Talk, for starters. And see
Quiz for Elder Epley, Does everyone deserve to die?, and I Disagree. OK, not that last one, so much.
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