Performance Or Faith Based ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Is the Christian experience and faith,perfomance based or faith based ?

[Titus2woman]

The true Christian experience is faith based. Faith will lead us to shed sin behaviors and take up godly behaviors, which is not the same thing as 'performance' which impies making a change based on ones own will.

[Amanah]

My experience matches up with Romans 7

I want to obey God and try to do it by my will, but fail, then I ask God to help me and trust him by faith to change me.

We can't do it by ourselves, but if we have the desire to change our behavior to be pleasing to God, and ask God to help us make the desired changes he does.

romans 7

[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[21] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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[houston]

Apo experience starts faith based, then turns to works... foolish Galatians.

[J4Truth]

What exactly is performance based? Do we somehow have to obey God without having faith in God? or trusting in Him? Are we not always to depend on God?

I never understood the notion that we are supposed to live Holy or Godly all on our own accord or of our own will, without Faith in God, Trusting in God, depending on God, surrendering to God.

Is it actually preached that we are to live for God without God?

What exactly is performance based? Isn't Faith the bases for performance?

[Timmy]

What did Jesus say about it?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Faith without works is dead,so our works a result of faith,or our works done in order to merit favor with The Lord ? Is there a difference works of done in obedience and things done in a external display of self righteousness ? Does our motive have a factor in our works and The way The Lord views them ?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Faith without works is dead,so our works a result of faith,or our works done in order to merit favor with The Lord ? Is there a difference works of done in obedience and things done in a external display of self righteousness ? Does our motive have a factor in our works and The way The Lord views them ?

Rightly divide the truth from these scriptures :

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[houston]

Context, Timmy. James was addressing people who said that they had faith, yet did nothing to help their brothers and sisters who lacked basic essentils, a hot meal, etc. If wr claim to have faith, it will be revealed by our actions.

Paul was addressing salvation to mankind. It is a gift that God gave to man and not something we can earn.

[Sabby]

Didn't Paul address this in Romans when he spoke of wages of sin?
Romans 4:4-5
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness..........
Romans 4:18-22
Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Abraham's motive was that of faith in God and not to put God in the position of being a debtor to his (Abraham's) works. That is why self-examination is SO important...it is so easy to justify self-righteousness.