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Old 10-02-2011, 08:14 AM
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For those of you that think mainstream Evangelicals love and accept OP's and therefore we should reciprocate the same to them had better wake up. You will learn in the following that they think you are a heretic and will go to hell if you continue believing in your false god.

This is not about condoning TD Jakes, but to let you see what trinitarians really think about you.


There is an uproar in the Evangelical world over an upcoming conference called The Elephant Room (http://www.theelephantroom.com/)

TD Jakes has been invited and it's spinning the heads of some major people in that world. Not because he's a "word faith" preacher, but because he is oneness. While the names might not to familiar to some OP's they are familiar to many others in the Evangelical world.

This link is from James McDonald who is hosting The Elephant Room conference and he is taking so much flack from inviting TD Jakes that his critics are just short of calling him a heretic too. http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9130

The following links are just some of the blogs that use heavy language concerning OP's.

http://hereiblog.com/td-jakes-associ...g-discernment/

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worl...articleid=7602

http://theexpositor.wordpress.com/20...-our-reaction/

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/...elephant-room/

http://www.challies.com/articles/mac...nt-in-the-room

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/09...-heretics.html

Wake up OP's because your beloved trinitarians think you're a heretic that will split hell wide open.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:20 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

The "Apologetics" types are the worse. The more well studied they are the harsher they are is my experience. The rank and file believers will side with their leaders. There are always exceptions. I still have friends among them.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:37 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

These groups are small and insignificant - smaller than the UPC. Who cares what they think? TD Jakes turns down thousands of invitations to preach and does not want for a place to minister. These people are not influencing many. For the most part - they teach against the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues.

I can tell you from my experience - Oneness Pentecostals & Trinitarian Pentecostals - LOVE TD JAKES and that my friend is a FACT!
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:51 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

I know Trinitarians accept me.
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:01 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

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For those of you that think mainstream Evangelicals love and accept OP's and therefore we should reciprocate the same to them had better wake up. You will learn in the following that they think you are a heretic and will go to hell if you continue believing in your false god.

This is not about condoning TD Jakes, but to let you see what trinitarians really think about you.


There is an uproar in the Evangelical world over an upcoming conference called The Elephant Room (http://www.theelephantroom.com/)

TD Jakes has been invited and it's spinning the heads of some major people in that world. Not because he's a "word faith" preacher, but because he is oneness. While the names might not to familiar to some OP's they are familiar to many others in the Evangelical world.

This link is from James McDonald who is hosting The Elephant Room conference and he is taking so much flack from inviting TD Jakes that his critics are just short of calling him a heretic too. http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9130

The following links are just some of the blogs that use heavy language concerning OP's.

http://hereiblog.com/td-jakes-associ...g-discernment/

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worl...articleid=7602

http://theexpositor.wordpress.com/20...-our-reaction/

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/...elephant-room/

http://www.challies.com/articles/mac...nt-in-the-room

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/09...-heretics.html

Wake up OP's because your beloved trinitarians think you're a heretic that will split hell wide open.

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Having read some post on here, specifically those like Steve Epley, I wonder if I really saw a truly UPC church. I didn't realize how much animosity there was toward people who believed in the trinity.
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Patrick,

By the same token, I could say the same thing about many that believe in the trinity. After over fifty years of seeing the animosity toward those who believe that "all the fulness of the Godhead is in Jesus" and those who baptize inJesus Name.

I have had many friends, neighbors and acquaintances who would call me for prayer. They wanted me to pray and some even wanted to tell me WHAT to pray. But when it came to obedience to the Word of God pertaining to salvation, they wanted no part of it. They would pray for healing, and other things they desired, but when it came to baptism in the name of Jesus, they wanted no part of it. There is much more I could say but won't.

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Old 10-02-2011, 09:15 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

JamDat,

I don't know anyone who has said there are not trinitarians who are just as passionate about trinitarian doctrine as Oneness people are about theirs.

However the fact of the matter is that over the last 20 years there is less of that than before as people are more open to different views. That does not mean trinitarian theologians are not going to defend and preserve their view though. It is the "boots on the ground" (saints) where I see a lot more openness to alternate views than a trinitarian was raised with. Much like in Oneness circles where not as many younger people demonize trinitarians as being "three god" people as most of the older generation does / did.
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:18 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

This subject is very interesting to me also.

For years OPs preached that charismatic churches were of the devil and on their way to hell.

Trinitarians thought OPs were heretics.

What has caused people to change their minds?
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:47 AM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

I have preached in both "Trinitarian" & "Oneness" Churches for 39 years and have never been in any kind of argument about the Godhead in either movement. I have baptized more people in the Name of Jesus Christ in "Trinity" Churches - including Pastors & their families, than I have in "Oneness" Churches. The argument is old and this younger generation wants to fellowship around what they can agree on and not about what their preacher or mom & dad argued about.
I for one am tired of it too. Why don't we just demonstrate what the Apostles did and stop all this condemning of people that do not do it OUR way? I have yet to find two "Apostolic" Pastors that believe exactly alike or say the exact same thing when they baptize and then some want to send everyone else to hell because they do not do it like they do it. It is senseless.
When I get a call to come minister - The thought never enters my mind - Are you Oneness or Trinitarian! I just go to minister - I don't care who it is! The more I travel internationally the less all the BOXES people are in matters anyway! I have preached in Buddhist Temples, Hindu Shrines, Rastafarian Gatherings, Unification Church Conferences, Cult leaders mansions, tiny store fronts, 60,000 seat African Mega Churches and many other places and I really do not care what the name is or what their doctrine is - I go and preach The Revelation of the One True & Living God and preach JESUS CHRIST TO THEM and then pray for the sick & afflicted and see God work Miracles. Why is what THEIR doctrine or believe system so important to you guys?
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

In my experience there are some that do and some that do not
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I have preached in both "Trinitarian" & "Oneness" Churches for 39 years and have never been in any kind of argument about the Godhead in either movement. I have baptized more people in the Name of Jesus Christ in "Trinity" Churches - including Pastors & their families, than I have in "Oneness" Churches. The argument is old and this younger generation wants to fellowship around what they can agree on and not about what their preacher or mom & dad argued about.
I for one am tired of it too. Why don't we just demonstrate what the Apostles did and stop all this condemning of people that do not do it OUR way? I have yet to find two "Apostolic" Pastors that believe exactly alike or say the exact same thing when they baptize and then some want to send everyone else to hell because they do not do it like they do it. It is senseless.
When I get a call to come minister - The thought never enters my mind - Are you Oneness or Trinitarian! I just go to minister - I don't care who it is! The more I travel internationally the less all the BOXES people are in matters anyway! I have preached in Buddhist Temples, Hindu Shrines, Rastafarian Gatherings, Unification Church Conferences, Cult leaders mansions, tiny store fronts, 60,000 seat African Mega Churches and many other places and I really do not care what the name is or what their doctrine is - I go and preach The Revelation of the One True & Living God and preach JESUS CHRIST TO THEM and then pray for the sick & afflicted and see God work Miracles. Why is what THEIR doctrine or believe system so important to you guys?
Our concern should not be what THEY believe - it should be the REVELATION & WORD GOD gives US!
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