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Old 08-23-2011, 08:45 PM
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Will you preach about Earthquakes on Sun.?

Soooo, who is working on an earthquake message?

Will you repeat the misguided proclamations of Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and John Hagee, who claim Earthquakes are increasing?

What are you saying about the Earthquake/s in relation to scripture and the end times?
Have you bothered to consider whether it's true?
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:54 PM
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Re: Will you preach about Earthquakes on Sun.?

Earthquakes not increasing! Edit your sermon please!


http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/

Regional Earthquake Data. Regional earthquake catalogs should show the recent increase in earthquake frequency if the urban legend is correct. What about California? Has there been a significant increase in earthquakes within America's most populated state? Hal Lindsey says yes:

There has been a rapid increase in major California quakes in the last 15 years.Since 1980, the state has experienced 18 quakes worse than 5.0. That is the same number of 5.0-plus quakes the state experienced in the entire century before 1980.41

But, again, we must ask from where did Lindsey get these statistics? No documentation is given. Lindsey's statement that only 18 magnitude 5.0-plus earthquakes occurred in California from 1900 to 1980 is contradicted by numerous seismicity catalogs of the region. Our search of the California region's historic seismic records revealed 408 earthquakes with M ³ 5.0 for the period 1900 through 1979.42 Because California's seismograph systems were not well established until 1932, a significant number of M ³ 5.0 events were not located and measured before 1932. We can make a strong argument for more than 400 earthquakes with M ³ 5.0 in the California region from 1900 through 1979, not just 18 earthquakes during that period as Lindsey supposes. Two USGS geologists Ross Stein and Thomas Hanks constructed their "Southern California Catalog" that is complete for M ³ 6.0 earthquakes from 1903 through 1997.43 They provide superb documentation for the Southern California region of 28 earthquakes (M ³ 6.0, 1903 through 1979). They ignored the more frequent but less well-documented earthquakes with M < 6.0, and they ignored all of Northern California. Still they have 28 earthquakes, a higher number than Hal Lindsey obtained for the whole state, for a longer time, and for a lower magnitude. Lindsey's California earthquake statistics must be incomplete.

Is there evidence that California's M>5.0 earthquakes have increased during the last half of the century as Lindsey supposes? Because of the much higher frequency of M ³ 5.0 that we have demonstrated from "authoritative" sources, Lindsey's statistics are proven to be faulty and his conclusion, therefore, becomes vacuous. Hutton and Jones performed a detailed study of M ³ 5.0 events since 1932 in Southern California and found no significant region-wide rate change, including the period after 1980.44 They start with the year 1932 because that is the year when the data are believed to become "complete" for M ³ 5.0 events. Stein and Hanks say of Southern California, "...we find no evidence that the rate of seismicity is increasing, now or at any other time since 1900." 45 They contradict both the statistics and the conclusion of Lindsey.
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Re: Will you preach about Earthquakes on Sun.?

yeah, always hear stuff about his coming or end of the world when stuff like this happens quoting scripture that happened thousands of years ago.
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Re: Will you preach about Earthquakes on Sun.?

Come out of the preterist closet, HOOVIE!
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YHWH said he would shake everything that can be shaken so yes it should be preached.
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YHWH said he would shake everything that can be shaken so yes it should be preached.
You really think that's speaking about earthquakes?
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No doubt Obama worshipers will claim this is the devil persecuting Him.


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Earthquakes not increasing! Edit your sermon please!


http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/

Regional Earthquake Data. Regional earthquake catalogs should show the recent increase in earthquake frequency if the urban legend is correct. What about California? Has there been a significant increase in earthquakes within America's most populated state? Hal Lindsey says yes:

There has been a rapid increase in major California quakes in the last 15 years.Since 1980, the state has experienced 18 quakes worse than 5.0. That is the same number of 5.0-plus quakes the state experienced in the entire century before 1980.41

But, again, we must ask from where did Lindsey get these statistics? No documentation is given. Lindsey's statement that only 18 magnitude 5.0-plus earthquakes occurred in California from 1900 to 1980 is contradicted by numerous seismicity catalogs of the region. Our search of the California region's historic seismic records revealed 408 earthquakes with M ³ 5.0 for the period 1900 through 1979.42 Because California's seismograph systems were not well established until 1932, a significant number of M ³ 5.0 events were not located and measured before 1932. We can make a strong argument for more than 400 earthquakes with M ³ 5.0 in the California region from 1900 through 1979, not just 18 earthquakes during that period as Lindsey supposes. Two USGS geologists Ross Stein and Thomas Hanks constructed their "Southern California Catalog" that is complete for M ³ 6.0 earthquakes from 1903 through 1997.43 They provide superb documentation for the Southern California region of 28 earthquakes (M ³ 6.0, 1903 through 1979). They ignored the more frequent but less well-documented earthquakes with M < 6.0, and they ignored all of Northern California. Still they have 28 earthquakes, a higher number than Hal Lindsey obtained for the whole state, for a longer time, and for a lower magnitude. Lindsey's California earthquake statistics must be incomplete.

Is there evidence that California's M>5.0 earthquakes have increased during the last half of the century as Lindsey supposes? Because of the much higher frequency of M ³ 5.0 that we have demonstrated from "authoritative" sources, Lindsey's statistics are proven to be faulty and his conclusion, therefore, becomes vacuous. Hutton and Jones performed a detailed study of M ³ 5.0 events since 1932 in Southern California and found no significant region-wide rate change, including the period after 1980.44 They start with the year 1932 because that is the year when the data are believed to become "complete" for M ³ 5.0 events. Stein and Hanks say of Southern California, "...we find no evidence that the rate of seismicity is increasing, now or at any other time since 1900." 45 They contradict both the statistics and the conclusion of Lindsey.
Of course, when it comes to "vacuous," the ICR really takes the cake. Their beef with Lindsey has nothing to do with real geological science - it comes down to eschatology. Lindsey is a Dispensationalist, while ICR is predominately into the Presbyterian covenantal stuff and Dominion Theology.

hmm... I've got a pretty snarky attitude right now. Better bail from the boards before it becomes contagious.
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I like your new hair (see avatar). It flatters you. I wish I could have hair like that.
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I like your new hair (see avatar). It flatters you. I wish I could have hair like that.
It helps in attracting all the rich older ladies who supply me with endless cars and equipment in order to help my friend Mikey discover the secrets of those who burned him.
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