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07-26-2011, 04:59 PM
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Entitlement & Ministry
So you are called to preach?
To evangelize nations? To pastor? To plant churches?
That's wonderful, but please remember that a calling does not entitle you to a blessed thing. This concept of "deserving" material things because you're a minister is muey loco. To deserve means to "have a claim for."
I hear people throw the word "deserve" around a lot nowadays. "She didn't deserve that," or "He deserved better than that."
How many times in life do we really get what we have a claim for?
I think we claim things that God never meant for us to have sometimes. And when we don't get them we feel cheated.
Godliness with contentment is great gain.
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07-26-2011, 05:01 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
If we all got what we deserved, it would most likely be a hard life and a long eternity in hell.
..just saying...
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07-26-2011, 05:37 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
We need from God air, water, food, clothing, and some type of shelter. Anything other than these are blessings that we don't deserve. What we do deserve is hell.
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07-26-2011, 06:52 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Originally Posted by Charnock
So you are called to preach?
To evangelize nations? To pastor? To plant churches?
That's wonderful, but please remember that a calling does not entitle you to a blessed thing. This concept of "deserving" material things because you're a minister is muey loco. To deserve means to "have a claim for."
I hear people throw the word "deserve" around a lot nowadays. "She didn't deserve that," or "He deserved better than that."
How many times in life do we really get what we have a claim for?
I think we claim things that God never meant for us to have sometimes. And when we don't get them we feel cheated.
Godliness with contentment is great gain.
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Are you preaching to yourself now?
Seems you are the one that feels cheated.
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07-26-2011, 06:55 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Are you preaching to yourself now?
Seems you are the one that feels cheated.
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Sometimes bitterness shows itself. I have to wonder if this flurry of posts today on various threads all on the same subject by this person and one other are not some of that coming out.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2011, 07:03 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Originally Posted by Charnock
So you are called to preach?
To evangelize nations? To pastor? To plant churches?
That's wonderful, but please remember that a calling does not entitle you to a blessed thing. This concept of "deserving" material things because you're a minister is muey loco. To deserve means to "have a claim for."
I hear people throw the word "deserve" around a lot nowadays. "She didn't deserve that," or "He deserved better than that."
How many times in life do we really get what we have a claim for?
I think we claim things that God never meant for us to have sometimes. And when we don't get them we feel cheated.
Godliness with contentment is great gain.
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Maybe, just maybe Charnock, you should consider what you posted on the other thread. Where was your contentment?
Your quote.... "Yes, I do. The difference is I didn't just "live around" poverty, I was the one poverty-stricken. My family suffered for the work of God right here in America. We gave everything, including our health."
BT
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07-26-2011, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1
Sometimes bitterness shows itself. I have to wonder if this flurry of posts today on various threads all on the same subject by this person and one other are not some of that coming out.
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Another wonderful attempt at mindreading from a person quite adept at personal destruction.
Great job.
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07-26-2011, 08:45 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If
Another wonderful attempt at mindreading from a person quite adept at personal destruction.
Great job.
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Thank you. I am willing to let the readers of those persons posts come to their own conclusions as to whether my speculation is correct or not. I am only speaking from my life experience that usually people that unclassy and rude are bitter. I could be wrong. According to my wife I have been wrong before.
I take it you think it is just fine that these two persons are attacking by name a missionary this way? If everything they said was true they would still be wrong for doing what they did in the way they did it.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2011, 08:54 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Originally Posted by Charnock
So you are called to preach?
To evangelize nations? To pastor? To plant churches?
That's wonderful, but please remember that a calling does not entitle you to a blessed thing. This concept of "deserving" material things because you're a minister is muey loco. To deserve means to "have a claim for."
I hear people throw the word "deserve" around a lot nowadays. "She didn't deserve that," or "He deserved better than that."
How many times in life do we really get what we have a claim for?
I think we claim things that God never meant for us to have sometimes. And when we don't get them we feel cheated.
Godliness with contentment is great gain.
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I think it has to do with American culture. It's a culture of entitlement. But it is not what Jesus was all about. He denied himself and became poor for our sakes. He served others instead of being served. Jesus was entitled and deserved to be treated like a king but instead was ridiculed, accused of being crazy, possessed of a devil, spit on, and brutally killed. And we are to follow in his steps.
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07-26-2011, 09:03 PM
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Re: Entitlement & Ministry
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I think it has to do with American culture. It's a culture of entitlement. But it is not what Jesus was all about. He denied himself and became poor for our sakes. He served others instead of being served. Jesus was entitled and deserved to be treated like a king but instead was ridiculed, accused of being crazy, possessed of a devil, spit on, and brutally killed. And we are to follow in his steps.
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Dear mizpeh,
Please don't blame anything on the Americans. It will start a whole new argument.
Thanks,
bratti
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
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