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Old 07-10-2011, 06:37 AM
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The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

There are those teaching that most all of the prophetic scriptures related to the Lord's coming visitation have been fulfilled in the past and at the same time mixing into their doctrines other skewed interpretations of His Word

Those who do this then proceed to claim a form of dominion theology which tells that their own religious organization is, or will become, the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth and thereby scoffing at the need for His return to judge an unbelieving world and to bring in His kingdom upon the earth Himself [one is the RCC that has taught this theology for 2000 years]

This teaching is rampant today and growing ..... and it almost always contains the parallel replacement theology [new covenant theology] that the church is now Israel and that the Lord no longer intends to deal with His nation .... they deny outright or ignore the prophetic scriptures which tell of His future dealings with His nation

Once this perversion has been planted it then opens up the scriptures for all sorts of demonic contortions and false teaching .... Satan operates in many ways and one of them is to corrupt men's thinking by convincing that all prophecy has been fulfilled, that the Lord is finished with His nation of Israel, that He is not coming personally to judge the earth for intransigence and unbelief, and then to personally bring His millennial kingdom upon the earth for 1000 years

Satan plays upon the pride and lost nature of men who are tempted to usurp the Lord's authority and these then bring in various aberrant theologies for attracting attention to themselves and to make merchandise of those who buy their wares

Many protestant sectors of professing church movements are preterists [the use of historical allegory] even though they do not wear the label on their sleeve ..... but they do teach this doctrine directly or by implication to their memberships

There are those who do wear the label .... research preterism on the Internet and you will find them out .... modern preterism is no different than the teachings of the early fathers of the RCC, Augustine, Origin, and the Jesuit priest Alcazar in 1614 AD, but just dressed up in a different package .... Gentry, Sproul, and Demar are examples of the modern pied pipers of preterism .... you can find them on the Internet

Those of the present day MSOG [manifestation of the son's of god] movements also claim Israel's future position for themselves in the prophetic scriptures and they carry the same trappings of preterism and related dominion theology [kingdom now] .... these pervert Revelation 12 and claim to be the corporate "manchild" [their own movement membership] "caught up to God and his throne" .... they replace Jesus Christ in this vision with themselves

These are generally led by pied pipers who claim to be the modern day restoration prophets and apostles ..... and they convince their followers that they are, or are becoming, perfected immortals who will then enter the coming tribulation as "super christians" and will be impervious to the Lord's judgments .... and they will bring in the kingdom through their own efforts

Here are a few examples and you can find them on the Internet [William Branham, George Warnock, Paul Cain; Peter Wimber; Peter Wagner; Mike Bickel; David Eells; Rod Brown; Todd Bentley] .... all use a form of preterism to relegate the Lord's dealings with Israel to the past so that they can then insert themselves and their followings into the mix

The believer is to identify and avoid following false teaching and related false doctrines by studying themselves approved so that one is not drawn away from the strait gate and narrow way that the Lord has defined [1Timothy 4:1-2; 6:3-5; 2Timothy 2:14-18; 3:1-17 4:1-4]

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7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:39 AM
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Re: The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

Funny how futurist teachers use scare tactics to get their people to come to God and stay in the church. They center their teaching on the first and last verse of the above passage. Matt 7:13-23 forgetting that Jesus speaks to us of the fruit of the Christian should be tried.

Yes you should study the scriptures, with an open heart seeking the spirit of God and not mans teachings, by thier traditions, philosophies, and vain decieit and not after Christ. Ask yourself who is being lifted up in the teachings men or an organiztion, or Jesus and the kingdom of God.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:27 PM
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Re: The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

"Funny how futurist teachers use scare tactics to get their people to come to God and stay in the church"


Can you sight some examples that you have had first hand experience with? Who scared you and attempted to get you to "stay in church"?

Is your statement not one of employing a "debating tactic" for the purpose of defending your current position? I would say so

And I can tell you that many who are not what you call "futurist teachers" use the same methods that you call "scare tactics" .... the list is a long one

Beware of those who would pressure you to join and adhere to any religious organization .... one's relationship must only be with Jesus Christ alone, nothing else works

The Lord is the one that has the position to warn you about false prophets and false teachers [not some preacher, priest, or pied piper of a religious movement] ..... and you might think that He uses "scare tactics", but you do not want to second guess Him

Matthew 7:13-23 are His own words and one must pay heed to what His telling .... it makes no difference what men might say, "futurist", or any other persuasion

.... and I can tell you the the Lord is a "futurist" [2Peter 3:8-9; Revelation 1:19] ..... and you need to listen to Him regarding His intents for preserving His nation of Israel and for coming to the earth to judge the nations of the world for intransigence against Him, and then to rule Himself from Jerusalem for 1000 years .... before eternity begins

You do not want to be found refuting the very objectives that He intends to carry out .... this behavior will not bode well for you whether you are dead, or alive at His coming .... He will intervene suddenly and with no prior warning .... could be before this day is over ..... and He says you must be "ready" ..... why?

Do you think He is using a "scare tactic"? [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:06 AM
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Re: The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

Sorry, but the initial posting sounds more like something from a Reckart posting. Instead of attacks, how about debating specific points, like how Jesus said that the disciples would not have gone over all the cities of Israel before His return? Or how about the fact that Jesus also said that all those things would happen to that generation?

Let us try to disagree without being real caustic, if possible.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:05 AM
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Re: The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

The point I was making is simple I have found this thought pattern in the groups that teach that there is a comming judgment yet to come that is to the whole world. A judgment I might add that supposedly will involve the sins of the world. Yet will only come down on one generation.

These groups teach from said passage Matt 7:13 that only those that follow the "straight and narrow" will be saved. And by straight and narraw. they mean by thier definition. The problem I see is that the previous teaching is that everyone that asketh receiveth he that seeketh findeth, Matt 7:7-10. So what is this narrow gate? Is it a step by step salvation where one must acheive salvation by completing certain steps followed by more and more steps defined by the dictates of men that say they are called of God.

Or rather the simple step of coming to God by faith in the work Christ did on the cross. Where we then follow the leading of the spirit of God in our live to live a life pleasing before God.

Here is a thought for you to chew on. For 4000 years God delt with man in a fallen state. He then came to earth robed in flesh and gave himself on the cross to redeam mankind from sin. For a mere 2000 years he is going to sit back while the gospel is spread around the world for a witness. Then he is going to come down and rapture those that have served him by special enterance (a hidden formula of salvation that must come from the preaching of a man) into the church (bride). Then he is going to bring world judgment upon those that are left alive for what 3 1/2 years, this judgment is for all the sin of the last 2000 years? Following he is then going to commit poligamy by turning to the Jews as his bride after he has married the church. So one wife will rule with him in heaven (christians) for 1000 years while the other (Jews) on earth.

Yet this ruling is only going to be for a 1000 years!!!

Do you not see the mathmatics of this. If salvation was the primary plan why would God allow things to run for almost 5000 years before setting up salvation throught the cross. Then only let the gospel be preached for 2000 years. The set up a millinial kingdom for only 1000 years.

Maybe your intelect cannot compute what I am trying to get accross but to me the numbers don't make sence.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:11 AM
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Re: The Strait Gate and Narrow Way

"Sorry, but the initial posting sounds more like something from a Reckart posting"

Not a Reckart posting, but mine

Preterism is simply a bankrupt theology that began in the early church and dressed up today in a new package by even those outside of the RCC

"Jesus said that the disciples would not have gone over all the cities of Israel before His return?"

He spoke of the revelation of His coming kingdom to His diciples on the mount [and this occured before they had gone to all of the cities of Israel] .... a vision of His future kingdom [transfiguration] .... not His return [Matthew 16:28 must be read in conjunction with Matthew 17:1-5]

"Jesus also said that all those things would happen to that generation?"

No He said "this" generation ..... in conjunction with the future events He projects .... His descriptions simply do not fit any past historical record of events upon the earth

He is speaking to Isralites about their nation at "the time of the end" still pending [the 70th week decreed] .... the generation living at the time will see all of the events within the time frame that He is projecting .... a period of 1260 days + 1260 days + 30 days [Daniel's visions and Revelation has the time lapse]

.... and He did not reveal the dating of the beginning of the time frame that He describes .... He speaks to them as if they would be present

70 A.D. was definitely not the "time of the end" that is still pending and Revelation was penned after, not before

In fact if you really want to know, the ancient Roman Empire is not even included in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets ..... a matter of historical record in the N.T. yes .... but you cannot find it in the visions of the Bible prophets

There is an explanation of this truth if you want to know

You need to read study the following visions of the prophets keeping in mind that the Bible is one book ..... the N.T. did not replace the O.T

[Isaiah 11; 27:13; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; 37; 38; Daniel 9:24-27; 11:36-45; 12:1-12; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; Revelation 12]

These passages of scripture are all about Israel at the time of the end during the coming 70th week decreed for the nation .... not the church

And all of them when rendered literally are congruent and make perfect sense .... if you attempt to allegorize or interpret any part of them as figurative you will not understand the truth regarding their future fulfillment
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