Zechariah's Vision

[Truth Files]

Zechariah the prophet refutes the historical/allegorical exegesis of preterism hands down

All of these things are future literal events that have never yet come to pass ..... but they will:

Zechariah
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

[Sabby]

@Truth Flies,
I'm beginning to believe that you have been "sent" to this forum by another source. You're adamantly aggressive in promoting your eschatalogy, but it's really old school. Marvin Treece did a better job of hyping it than you have done, because at least the elder had a spirit that was easily entreated.
I met MT after one of his seminars on prophecy and asked him if I could talk to him alone. We stepped to the side of the platform, and I asked him, "Did you create this seminar as a result of something you already believed in or did you consider the differing eschatalogical views, like post-millenialism and amillenialism prior to doing it?"
His answer, in a good spirit, surprised me. "I believed it first".
IOW, his well-known seminars were a result of his eisigesis, not exegesis.
I will always respect the man for his humble spirit. He didn't act like he knew it all, unlike Truth Flies.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sabby

@Truth Flies,
I'm beginning to believe that you have been "sent" to this forum by another source. You're adamantly aggressive in promoting your eschatalogy, but it's really old school. Marvin Treece did a better job of hyping it than you have done, because at least the elder had a spirit that was easily entreated.
I met MT after one of his seminars on prophecy and asked him if I could talk to him alone. We stepped to the side of the platform, and I asked him, "Did you create this seminar as a result of something you already believed in or did you consider the differing eschatalogical views, like post-millenialism and amillenialism prior to doing it?"
His answer, in a good spirit, surprised me. "I believed it first".
IOW, his well-known seminars were a result of his eisigesis, not exegesis.
I will always respect the man for his humble spirit. He didn't act like he knew it all, unlike Truth Flies.

Perhaps TF fancies himself a sort of "John the Baptist" crier.

[Sabby]

@Bowas,
He very well may feel that way,
From the time of John...until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence can also be interpreted as saying before John up to his time, the kingdom of heaven had always "suffered" violence. That kingdom, up to John was always identified as a visible, physical "kingdom" as represented by the nation of Israel.
John reminded us that the axe is laid to the root of the tree; iow, the physical representation of the kingdom is now cut down...
I digress...
I don't doubt his sincerity, but his spirit is wrong.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sabby

@Bowas,
He very well may feel that way,
From the time of John...until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence can also be interpreted as saying before John up to his time, the kingdom of heaven had always "suffered" violence. That kingdom, up to John was always identified as a visible, physical "kingdom" as represented by the nation of Israel.
John reminded us that the axe is laid to the root of the tree; iow, the physical representation of the kingdom is now cut down...
I digress...
I don't doubt his sincerity, but his spirit is wrong.

Agreed on all points.

[Zechariah_14_5]

Originally Posted by Truth Files

Zechariah the prophet refutes the historical/allegorical exegesis of preterism hands down.
All of these things are future literal events that have never yet come to pass ..... but they will:

While some of Zechariah 14 describes future realities, not all of the chapter does. Verses 1-2 describe events that happened during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD; and there is a lot of evidence that the events described in verses 4-5 have already happened.

The problem with your conclusion that Zechariah 14 can only refer to future events is that it is based on a fallacious context deriving from a mistranslation of 14:5, that is found in bibles that use the Masoretic Text version of this verse. The correct rendition of this verse is found in the Septuagint (LXX):

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible

For proof that this is true, see Deciphering Zechariah 14:5.