Spirit and Letter

Dedicated Mind · #1 06-24-2011, 09:58 AM

Can some apostolics be living by the letter of acts 2:38, but not the spirit of the NT? Can some christians who have not obeyed acts 2:38, yet live just, righteous or holy lives? (including baptists who haven't spoken in tongues)

mfblume · #2 06-24-2011, 11:33 AM

A person cannot live a holy life without the baptism of the Holy Ghost since it is power within to depend upon in order to be empowered. But you can have the Holy Ghost and not live a holy life either due to walking after the flesh and not after the very Spirit within.

acerrak · #3 06-24-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Can some apostolics be living by the letter of acts 2:38, but not the spirit of the NT? Can some christians who have not obeyed acts 2:38, yet live just, righteous or holy lives? (including baptists who haven't spoken in tongues)

Tounges is a gift of the Spirit, The initial evidence doctrine came about in the 1900's

Paul asked rhetoric questions
do all prophesy?
Do all Speak with tounges? ofcourse the answer is no.

The Spirit is the seal of God and is what changes a persons Life. Infact That person is impowered to have a change. So if they are producing fruits for the Lord they are filled with the Spirit.

Jesus Himself said you will know my desciples by their fruits.
also in mark 16:17-18 He said these signs would acompany those who believe. when did we limit the Holy spirit to tounges? Some prophesied as well.

NorCal · #4 06-24-2011, 11:51 AM

A person can live a Holy Life, when following The Law. However, the Holy Ghost gives us to power to overcome The Law (not replace, but to wholly fulfill it).

Jesus told the Pharisees that they were like a cup. Clean and Holy on the outside, but filthy on the inside.

Jesus will change you on the inside, and make your Holy on the outside.

However, today we understand "Holiness" to be both internal and external.

acerrak · #5 06-24-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal

A person can live a Holy Life, when following The Law. However, the Holy Ghost gives us to power to overcome The Law (not replace, but to wholly fulfill it).

Jesus told the Pharisees that they were like a cup. Clean and Holy on the outside, but filthy on the inside.

Jesus will change you on the inside, and make your Holy on the outside.

However, today we understand "Holiness" to be both internal and external.

Jesus Fullfilled the Law, we dont do that. We fullfill the rightous requirements through Him. Cause we broke the law. The law of Moses had customs and such that we as gentiles was excluded from or didnt have todo. The Jewish christians was still zealous for the law, they wanted to be circumsized, they kept the feast days and sabbaths.

Paul made a comment to the jewish counsel that stated why should we place upon the gentiles a burden that we are selves cannot carry.

so one must define what law is. cause only one man ever kept the Law of Moses and that was Jesus.

The Spirit empowers us to walk in a godly manner. and to wage war against the lust of the flesh and sin.

Falla39 · #6 06-24-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

A person cannot live a holy life without the baptism of the Holy Ghost since it is power within to depend upon in order to be empowered. But you can have the Holy Ghost and not live a holy life either due to walking after the flesh and not after the very Spirit within.

AMEN, Bro. Blume!!

mfblume · #7 06-24-2011, 12:18 PM

No offense intended to anyone, but if one is not even speaking with tongues by the Spirit's utterance, then how does one expect to live a holy life without the Spirit's empowerment.

acerrak · #8 06-24-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

No offense intended to anyone, but if one is not even speaking with tongues by the Spirit's utterance, then how does one expect to live a holy life without the Spirit's empowerment.

because they are many gifts of the Spirit, and we should desire them all but paul stressed mostly that we should seek to prophesy to edify the church.

and none taken I believe in Speaking in tounges. i just dont agree with the initial evidence doctrine.

However one cant exclude the ofther gifts at work in a persons life just because they dont speak in tounges.

1 corinthians 12:30-31

mfblume · #9 06-24-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

because they are many gifts of the Spirit, and we should desire them all but paul stressed mostly that we should seek to prophesy to edify the church.

and none taken I believe in Speaking in tounges. i just dont agree with the initial evidence doctrine.

However one cant exclude the ofther gifts at work in a persons life just because they dont speak in tounges.

1 corinthians 12:30-31

We disagree on the purpose of tongues in the bible, so our views cannot relate, anyway.

I stand by my words. God bless!

Falla39 · #10 06-24-2011, 01:52 PM

Many confuse the initial evidence (receiving of the Giver) in Acts, with the gift of tongues in Corinthians. Same Spirit! The initial pouring out or receiving of the Spirit was at Pentecost. Those that have received the Spirit are now eligble for the gifts of the Spirit, as in Corinthians. You won't be receiving gifts of the Spirit until you have first received the SPIRIT! Paul was speaking to the church at Corinth! Teaching on the usage or regulating of the gifts in this church.

Falla39