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Old 06-23-2011, 07:26 PM
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The Covenant Confirmed

The covenant confirmed in Daniel 9 is the covenant that the Lord has with Israel [not His church of today] in the context of the chapter .... there is no other covenant described

.... and there is no indication that this covenant is some sort of peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies. It is a specific time line given in conjunction with the Lord's eternal covenant with the nation of Israel [Jeremiah 31:31-37; Zechariah 13:8-9; Romans 11:25-36]

Only the Lord can confirm this covenant by executing the coming 70th week .... thereby reaching the 6 objectives for the believing remnant of Israel who will turn to Him during His hour [time] of trial. [Daniel 9:1-27]

Visionary prophecy must be read carefully and in this case one needs to see that there are two princes involved .... the Lord .... and the other prince .... satan's beast of Revelation 13:1 and 17:8.

It is the Lord who was "cut off" at the end of the 69th week .... it is the other prince and His followers who will come and desecrate at the middle of the 70th week decreed. [Daniel 9:26]

The vision then repeats this same contrast between the two princes.

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9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant with many [the believing remnant of Israel] for one week: [note the : divider in the KJV]

.... and in the midst of the week he [the other prince] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Lord ["He"] will confirm the covenant .... the other prince cannot do this and would not because of the 6 objectives that will be met for Daniel's people, the believing remnant part of national Israel. [Daniel 9:24; Romans 11]

Then the other prince ["he"] will cause the sacrifice oblation to cease. [Israelite worship at the base of the western wall of the temple mount ... the most holy place for Israel today] [Jeremiah 30:5-7; Daniel 8:9-12; Zechariah 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-16]

This other prince is the little horn of Daniel 11:36-45 and 12:7. This king of the north and his followers will invade, occupy and rule over Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months before the Lord will pour out His wrath upon the desolaters. [Jeremiah 30:1-7; Ezekiel 38:11-16; Daniel 11:41; Micah 5:5; Zechariah 14:1-5; Revelation 11:2; 12:3-17; 13:5]

None of the events of the time frame of the 70th week of 2,520 days has transpired yet and is still pending at this time. [Romans 11:25-26]

In fact, there is a breach in the time lapse that can be found in all of the prophetic visions related to the time of the end of this present age.

Events on the earth between the end of the 69th week [about 33 A.D.] and the beginning of the 70th [still future] are not recorded in the scope of visionary prophecy ... many significant things have come and gone over the last 2,000 years and they are simply not there.

For example: Daniel's visions track the geopolitical phases of the Middle East through the end of the rule of Antiochus IV [11:21-35] .... and then the rest of the unfulfilled portion jumps directly to the time of the end. [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:1-12]
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:17 PM
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Re: The Covenant Confirmed

Your posts will be ignored unless you engage with those that disagree with your views. This is a discussion forum, not a bulletin board.

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No Gap between 69th and 70th Weeks of Daniel

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By Mike Blume:

In order to understand the 70 weeks of Daniel properly, and see that there is no GAP between the last two weeks, we must analyze the 9th chapter of Daniel and research the context of their captivity.


Israel became captive in Babylon due to a specific transgression. We read reference to this as follows:

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Jeremiah was referenced to have noted a seventy year period of captivity. We read Jeremiah’s words to that effect.


Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
Let us ask ourselves why it was a period of specifically 70 years.

In order to learn that answer we must refer back to the days of Zedekiah when Israel was indeed taken captive by Babylon. The Bible gives us the reason for this period of time.


2 Chronicles 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
Israel neglected the keeping of Sabbath Years. And for that reason, she would be taken captive so that the land could enjoy the Sabbath years robbed of her by her occupants, Israel. Most everyone knows about Sabbath days. Every seventh day was considered a day of rest. However, Sabbath Years were also legislated under Mosaic Law in order that the Land might enjoy her rest as well!


Lev 25:3-5 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; (4) But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. (5) That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.
The Sabbath Year did not allow for planting and sowing of fields. The land would rest on the seventh year as the people rested each seventh day! And negligence of that Law would mean captivity for the people.


Leviticus 26:33-35 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. (34) Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. (35) As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
So we see why Israel was held captive. They neglected the Sabbath Years that were due to the land that it might rest. But, why was it specifically 70 years they would be held captive in Babylon? The Bible gives us the answer for this as well.

This is a very important issue, because the entire purpose of the captivity of Israel in Babylon, of which Daniel was praying about, led to the further issue of the 70 Weeks that we are dealing with.

Ezekiel was alive during the days of this captivity, and we read these words in his book.


Eze 4:5-6 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. (6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
God often had Ezekiel, and other prophets, perform physical acts that signified or represented events that God would bring upon Israel as a nation. Here we read of one in which he was told to lay on his left side for the very long period of time of 390 days. And then he would lie on his right side for an additional 40 days. Each day represented a year in which Israel committed iniquity. When you add 390 with 40, you get 430 years.

Keep this number in mind as we explain the issue of Sabbath Years.

There were two kinds of Sabbath Years. One fell on every seventh year. But there was another sort of Sabbath Year. Every 50 years was considered the Year of Jubilee, and this year was also a Sabbath Year. We know this fiftieth year was a Sabbath as well as the seventh year, because of the following correlation of verses.


Leviticus 25:4-5 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. (5) That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.

Leviticus 25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
Notice that in both the seventh year and the fiftieth year the people were prohibited from sowing and reaping that which grew of itself. Neither were they allowed to gather grapes from the undressed vine. This rendered the Fiftieth year to be a Sabbath as well as the Seventh Year!

When you divide the 430 years of Ezekiel’s reference of Israel’s sin by 7, you will find that there were 61.4 Seventh Sabbath Years. Divide 430 by 50, and you learn there were 8.6 Jubilee Sabbath years.

61.4 + 8.6 = 70.

This is precisely the number of years Israel was held captive in Babylon! God’s ways are so perfect!

Since Israel neglected that many Sabbath years, they were required to pay that same number of Sabbath years back to God and give the land rest. Therefore, they were held captive in Babylon for seventy years.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:25 AM
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Re: The Covenant Confirmed

"Your posts will be ignored unless you engage with those that disagree with your views"

>You cannot keep others from reading posts on this forum by telling that my posts will be ignored .... what you do is your own business

>Argument and debate is what the preterist craves and since I do not buy this false teaching I do not feed them

>There is a breach in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets and any who have even a basic understanding and Holy Spirit discernment know this

>And the Lord has delayed His next intervention [because of Israel's rejection of Him] to be completed during the coming 70th week decreed for a believing remnant part of His nation .... this will happen in spite of the false teaching presented by the exegesis of preterism

>He speaks of the 70th week decreed in His discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 and the generation of a returned remnant part of the nation [not His church of today] .... His focus is upon Israel in answer to those who wanted to know about the time of the end and this should be obvious by the descriptions and location given [He is not speaking of the Roman invasion of 70 A.D. which was obviously not the time of the end]

>The remnant part of Israel has returned to day in the Middle East and in place to experience this time of the 70th week .... the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; 31; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; Daniel 9; 12; Joel 2:3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12;13;14; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7; 11:3-13; 12] .... and you may not believe this, but you will see that it is true when it comes to pass

>The preterist cannot explain the details of these scriptures and so they must commit them to selective allegory .... and it should be obvious to anyone that the people and the locations described are not of the Lord's church of today as the preterist would suggest .... placing the church in these scriptures in conjunction with a literal interpretation of the same exposes the folly of the preterist

>Those who deny the Lord's intents on this matter ignore His clear teaching in scripture and the visions of His Bible prophets .... not a good place for one who professes christianity to be found standing [Matthew 25:1-13 [those with no oil]; Revelation 3:15-19]

>So I do not entertain the preterist who denies these things by engaging in endless and futile debating on a public Internet forum [if you want to discuss this issue you can do so by the PM feature on this forum and I will respond]

>I will answer to any on this forum who have reasonable questions ..... but not to one who insists upon holding to the doctrine of preterism [many teachers of the denominations of professing christianity, large and small, do this either overtly, or covertly]
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>I will answer to any on this forum who have reasonable questions ..... but not to one who insists upon holding to the doctrine of preterism [many teachers of the denominations of professing christianity, large and small, do this either overtly, or covertly]
This is because the man cannot answer our arguments. Notice the writer thinks all preterists are dishonest and talks to anyone but preterists. Sounds fishy, does it not?
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This is because the man cannot answer our arguments. Notice the writer thinks all preterists are dishonest and talks to anyone but preterists. Sounds fishy, does it not?
Yep, very fishy!!!

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1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
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