Goss: he was rebaptized but disliked rebaptisms?

jfrog · #1 03-29-2011, 07:45 PM

I have found many references saying that in 1915 Goss was rebaptized in Jesus name. However, in Fudge's book on page 66 it makes the case that Goss issued a statement discouraging rebaptism and urging everyone to be baptized under any formula they desired. In the next paragraph it says he did not oppose the following rulings of the Third General Council in 1915: 1. that baptismal formula did not affect the validity of the baptism. 2. that necessity of Christian rebaptism ought not to be preached or practiced. (They went to 5 but the first 2 were the most noteworthy for this discussion).

A source is given for Goss issuing that statement (although I do not possess the source) but a source is not given for Goss agreeing with the Third General Council. Something seems fishy because I have a hard time reconciling a man being rebaptized within the same year as he was agreeing with those statements and discouraging rebaptism. Thoughts?

Jay · #2 03-29-2011, 07:59 PM

I am planning on buying a biography about Bro. Goss. As far as I can tell though, he did not have a problem re-baptizing people in the name of Jesus. In The Winds of God, he speaks about his re-baptism and that of many others such as Bro. G.T. Haywood, E.N. Bell, and many others. I do believe that he supported a compromise version of the baptismal formula at the counsel, although I would appreciate not being held on that.

jfrog · #3 03-29-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I am planning on buying a biography about Bro. Goss. As far as I can tell though, he did not have a problem re-baptizing people in the name of Jesus. In The Winds of God, he speaks about his re-baptism and that of many others such as Bro. G.T. Haywood, E.N. Bell, and many others. I do believe that he supported a compromise version of the baptismal formula at the counsel, although I would appreciate not being held on that.

To me the issue isn't as much about Goss but more about Goss's portrayl in Fudge's book. It just don't seem to add up in this case and it makes me wonder about the rest of the book.

Jay · #4 03-29-2011, 08:14 PM

Can you tell me what the name of the book is? I am thinking about buying one that I noticed came out a short time ago. Is that the book you are speaking about?

jfrog · #5 03-29-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Can you tell me what the name of the book is? I am thinking about buying one that I noticed came out a short time ago. Is that the book you are speaking about?

Christianity Without the Cross

Jay · #6 03-29-2011, 08:18 PM

I have heard about it. There are many major flaws in the premise of the book. I have read some of the responses to it, and I do believe that there are flaws. I have not read it, but I do intend to one day.

jfrog · #7 03-29-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I have heard about it. There are many major flaws in the premise of the book. I have read some of the responses to it, and I do believe that there are flaws. I have not read it, but I do intend to one day.

How do you know if there are major flaws if you haven't read it?

Jay · #8 03-29-2011, 08:42 PM

One, I read a little of what the man had to say, unfortunately it was more a summary of the book. I also read reviews by a number of other men, not all of them were Pentecostal and read what they had to say about the content of the book. I do intend to read it for myself.

After I do so, not for nearly two weeks perhaps until I can buy it, I may write a review to post up here.

Sam · #9 04-02-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I am planning on buying a biography about Bro. Goss. As far as I can tell though, he did not have a problem re-baptizing people in the name of Jesus. In The Winds of God, he speaks about his re-baptism and that of many others such as Bro. G.T. Haywood, E.N. Bell, and many others. I do believe that he supported a compromise version of the baptismal formula at the counsel, although I would appreciate not being held on that.

I think you are mistaken. The Winds of God is a history of Pentecost up until the establishment of the Assemblies of God organization and does not go beyond that to the "new issue" and split.

Sam · #10 04-02-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

One, I read a little of what the man had to say, unfortunately it was more a summary of the book. I also read reviews by a number of other men, not all of them were Pentecostal and read what they had to say about the content of the book. I do intend to read it for myself.

After I do so, not for nearly two weeks perhaps until I can buy it, I may write a review to post up here.

Christianity Without the Cross is available as a pdf file.
I can send you a copy by email if you wish.