Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

Mr. Smith · #1 03-29-2011, 10:39 AM

To those of you who believe that one must 1) Repent; 2) Be baptized; and 3) Be filled with the Holy Spirit only by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues.......

......it was easier to be right with God in the Old Testament when all you had to do was obey the Levitical law and drag animals to the Tabernacle to be sacrificed.

Why? Because there are some people who try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to "Get the Holy Ghost" and just never can speak in tongues. For those people, it would be easier to just kill a goat.

And to those of you who believe that a person is saved at repentance but that a person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit until they display the initial sign of speaking in tongues, it would be easier to just be one of the "Holy men of God" that spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and just go kill goat.

Why? Because there are people that try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to be filled with the Spirit so they can have the power everyone else does, but they just can't pull it off.

According to these beliefs, maybe the New Covenant isn't all that great.

onefaith2 · #2 03-29-2011, 10:43 AM

Easier to obey the 613 commandments of the law than to believe if God said he would give you the Holy Ghost, He will do it? On what planet would obeying commandments be easier than just accepting the promises of God and waiting for those to happen?

Austin · #3 03-29-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

To those of you who believe that one must 1) Repent; 2) Be baptized; and 3) Be filled with the Holy Spirit only by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues.......

......it was easier to be right with God in the Old Testament when all you had to do was obey the Levitical law and drag animals to the Tabernacle to be sacrificed.

Why? Because there are some people who try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to "Get the Holy Ghost" and just never can speak in tongues. For those people, it would be easier to just kill a goat.

And to those of you who believe that a person is saved at repentance but that a person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit until they display the initial sign of speaking in tongues, it would be easier to just be one of the "Holy men of God" that spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and just go kill goat.

Why? Because there are people that try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to be filled with the Spirit so they can have the power everyone else does, but they just can't pull it off.

According to these beliefs, maybe the New Covenant isn't all that great.

Are you referring to your self or someone else in your post? I have seen that happen before.

Mr. Smith · #4 03-29-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Easier to obey the 613 commandments of the law than to believe if God said he would give you the Holy Ghost, He will do it? On what planet would obeying commandments be easier than just accepting the promises of God and waiting for those to happen?

It would be easier to obey 5,000 commandments that were possible than one commandment that was impossible.

Austin · #5 03-29-2011, 10:45 AM

Actually the bible said it is a gift from God. So that is more on the level that all we have to do is believe and ask for it. I'm suspicious your point is different from your post.

Digging4Truth · #6 03-29-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Easier to obey the 613 commandments of the law than to believe if God said he would give you the Holy Ghost, He will do it? On what planet would obeying commandments be easier than just accepting the promises of God and waiting for those to happen?

Were all 613 of those laws from God?
If so... how many pertained to the job of the priests and weren't something the average Israelite had to keep with in his daily life?

Just wondering. It seems that your post probably isn't a fair depiction. But... you never know.

Mr. Smith · #7 03-29-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin

Are you referring to your self or someone else in your post? I have seen that happen before.

I'm speaking for my cousin who sat at my dinner table and wept as he told me of his 35 year fruitless quest to be filled with the Holy Spirit and when shown the truth of God's Word said, "I just thought I was never good enough."

Mr. Smith · #8 03-29-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin

Actually the bible said it is a gift from God. So that is more on the level that all we have to do is believe and ask for it. I'm suspicious your point is different from your post.

Yes, all we have to do is believe and ask for it. Luke 11 says so. But many believe, many ask, but many come up empty on tongues.

onefaith2 · #9 03-29-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It would be easier to obey 5,000 commandments that were possible than one commandment that was impossible.

The Holy Ghost isn't a commandment, its a promise. If someone believe Acts 2:38 and does their part, God will do his. Sometimes it takes time, but to give up is to quit believing the promise is already theirs. Faith is about going on what isn't seen, not what is seen. I know its hard because what some preach from the pulpit, but if those would recognize the power of God's promises, and that they never fail; this would not be an issue with the desperate believe who wants to receive the Holy Ghost to be saved from hell. God will save them if they seek Christ Jesus. Its a promise. So if salvation is a promise and the HG is a promise, one can understand God will come through, no matter how long it takes them to "speak in tongues"

Aquila · #10 03-29-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

To those of you who believe that one must 1) Repent; 2) Be baptized; and 3) Be filled with the Holy Spirit only by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues.......

......it was easier to be right with God in the Old Testament when all you had to do was obey the Levitical law and drag animals to the Tabernacle to be sacrificed.

Why? Because there are some people who try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to "Get the Holy Ghost" and just never can speak in tongues. For those people, it would be easier to just kill a goat.

And to those of you who believe that a person is saved at repentance but that a person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit until they display the initial sign of speaking in tongues, it would be easier to just be one of the "Holy men of God" that spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and just go kill goat.

Why? Because there are people that try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to be filled with the Spirit so they can have the power everyone else does, but they just can't pull it off.

According to these beliefs, maybe the New Covenant isn't all that great.

The timing of a believer's salvation is predicated upon God's sovereign will, not the will of the believer in question. The timing when one is filled with the Holy Ghost is entirely up to God. All aspects of salvation are predicated upon God's will and grace... not man's effort and desire.