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02-23-2011, 09:35 PM
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Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament?
So why no tongues in the Old Testament? well... unless you count Balaam's ass as being tongues.
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02-23-2011, 10:07 PM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
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So why no tongues in the Old Testament? well... unless you count Balaam's ass as being tongues.
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In the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came upon a person, the person prophesied as in:
Numbers 11:16-30 the 70 elders
1 Samuel 10:6-13; 19:20-24 Saul
1 Samuel 19:20-21 Saul's messengers
2 Samuel 23:2 David
1 Peter 1:11-12; 2 Peter 1:19-21 other prophets whose names are not given.
Why did they prophesy/nawbaw/bubble up in their own language in the Old Testament and in "other tongues" in the New? I don't know, unless because they were one people of one language under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is for all people of all tongues and nations and the Spirit is to be poured out upon all flesh.
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02-23-2011, 10:09 PM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
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In the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came upon a person, the person prophesied as in:
Numbers 11:16-30 the 70 elders
1 Samuel 10:6-13; 19:20-24 Saul
1 Samuel 19:20-21 Saul's messengers
2 Samuel 23:2 David
1 Peter 1:11-12; 2 Peter 1:19-21 other prophets whose names are not given.
Why did they prophesy/nawbaw/bubble up in their own language in the Old Testament and in "other tongues" in the New? I don't know, unless because they were one people of one language under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is for all people of all tongues and nations and the Spirit is to be poured out upon all flesh.
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02-23-2011, 10:37 PM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
OT and Tongues is cessationists favorite argument. Particularly, dissecting what Paul meant in his citation of Isaiah 28 in 1 Cor 14.
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02-24-2011, 05:52 AM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
At the tower of Babel the people were scattered because of their languages. At Pentecost, the people were brought together because of their languages. Everything lost in the Old Testament is restored in the New. Read the first two and last two chapters of the Bible.
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02-24-2011, 06:27 AM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
The Holy Ghost had not yet been poured out! With the outpouring of the Spirit (Promise
of The Father) came the language of the Spirit. HE was not of this world. Unless you connect
with the Spirit, you will never really know who JESUS was/is!
1 Cor. 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
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02-24-2011, 09:34 AM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
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The Holy Ghost had not yet been poured out! With the outpouring of the Spirit (Promise
of The Father) came the language of the Spirit. HE was not of this world. Unless you connect
with the Spirit, you will never really know who JESUS was/is!
1 Cor. 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
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How can you have a relationship with someone unless you both speak the
same language. Who are we talking to when we speak in an unknown tongue.
And what is being said. The Spirit within us is communing with the Father.
The Spirit which knows the Will of the Father, intercedes for us. And I feel
sure the Father knows what is being said. His native tongue?
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02-24-2011, 10:28 AM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
For those who do not believe you need to speak in tongues, how are you going to talk to your Father! Or do you expect Him to speak your earthly language. How are you going to talk (connect) with your loved one if you can't communicate due to language barriers!
Heb.11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must
believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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02-24-2011, 11:21 AM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams
At the tower of Babel the people were scattered because of their languages. At Pentecost, the people were brought together because of their languages. Everything lost in the Old Testament is restored in the New. Read the first two and last two chapters of the Bible.
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I think this is close. It must mean something, fulfillment of prophecy about languages ( Isa 28). But that doesn't answer why tongues became a continual practice in the Church and for believers in prayer.
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02-24-2011, 12:40 PM
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Re: Speculate: Why no tongues in the Old Testament
Faulty logic, FALLA. Whether tongues is or is not the initial evidence aside, God speaks to me in English. He knows and understands all languages.
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