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[SteppingStone]

Ok so Jesus was a man born of a woman under the law of which the Holy Ghost over shadowed. When a regular man is born, he's born spirit, soul, and body, yet his spirit is dead because of Adam (Sin.) Christ was the lamb who knew no sin.

Here's my question: When Jesus was born, what spirit did He have? Was His spirit dead like ours because of Adam, or was He The Lord from Heaven? Was He half man half God? What about His soul? How did Mary get pregnant?

Here's another one of those peculiar passages nobody talks about to much:

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old,
men of renown.

(Almost seems like a prophecy)

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Whole lot going on with those passages, maybe somebody around here can shed some light..

[Sam]

If Jesus was fully human, He would have to be human spirit, soul, and body, wouldn't He? If His human spirit was dead, could He have met the requirement to die as one human for many?

[mfblume]

I believe a dead spirit is the result of sin. And Jesus was not born in sin as we are. Some say His spirit was one with Deity, unlike our spirits.

Also, I personally believe Gen 6 is speaking about Seth's people (sons of God) meeting with Cain's people (amongst whom were daughters of men). After time, Cain's people and Seth's people would meet due to population growth, since they were separated when Cain went into Nod. And this is precisely what the first verse of Gen 6 says!

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Ok so Jesus was a man born of a woman under the law of which the Holy Ghost over shadowed. When a regular man is born, he's born spirit, soul, and body, yet his spirit is dead because of Adam (Sin.) Christ was the lamb who knew no sin.

Man is born unreconciled to God. Jesus wasn't born as such for He was the incarnate and preexisting Christ, the Son of God.

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Here's my question: When Jesus was born, what spirit did He have? Was His spirit dead like ours because of Adam, or was He The Lord from Heaven?

I'm not sure what you're asking, stone. Jesus had a spirit just as ours....our spirit isn't dead.

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Was He half man half God?

He was fully the Christ, the son of God, not God. He was one with God and God was in Him reconciling the world unto Himself. He was the perfect and complete image and manifestation of God, His Father.

[QUOTE=SteppingStone;915068] What about His soul?/QUOTE]

Define soul.

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

How did Mary get pregnant?

Just like the worlds were created. The power of God.

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Here's another one of those peculiar passages nobody talks about to much:

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old,
men of renown.

(Almost seems like a prophecy)

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Whole lot going on with those passages, maybe somebody around here can shed some light..

On what, specifically?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Ok so Jesus was a man born of a woman under the law of which the Holy Ghost over shadowed. When a regular man is born, he's born spirit, soul, and body, yet his spirit is dead because of Adam (Sin.) Christ was the lamb who knew no sin.

Here's my question: When Jesus was born, what spirit did He have? Was His spirit dead like ours because of Adam, or was He The Lord from Heaven? Was He half man half God? What about His soul? How did Mary get pregnant?

Here's another one of those peculiar passages nobody talks about to much:

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old,
men of renown.

(Almost seems like a prophecy)

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Whole lot going on with those passages, maybe somebody around here can shed some light..

Sounds to me like your question is more about original sin or a similar concept?

[Gods_Chosen_85]

seekerman how can you say that Jesus Christ is not God! You said he is the Son of God but not God!

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Even Thomas refered to Him as My Lord and My God in John 20:28. It would have been blasphemy for a Jew to glorify anyone other than God himself as God and yet thomas praised Jesus as The One True Living God!

These are just a few of the references that Jesus is God and not just the son of God!

But in answer to the question at hand. Jesus at birth had the spirit of God dwelling within Him. Scripture states that in Jesus dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily!
God imparted his divine nature into the seed of mary. There was no pre-existing Christ before the Incarnation of Jesus Christ (God in the Flesh). OT is clear that there is only One God and there is none beside him! That He alone is God! Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man!

The only reason he is called the son of God is that the flesh of Jesus was born through the seed of woman!

Jesus Christ is Jehovah Yahweh, The Almighty Father of Creation and Soveriegn Ruler of Eternity, He alone sits on the throne of Heaven and He alone is God!

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Sam

If Jesus was fully human, He would have to be human spirit, soul, and body, wouldn't He? If His human spirit was dead, could He have met the requirement to die as one human for many?

I'm seeking answers, not more questions.

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe a dead spirit is the result of sin. And Jesus was not born in sin as we are. Some say His spirit was one with Deity, unlike our spirits.

Also, I personally believe Gen 6 is speaking about Seth's people (sons of God) meeting with Cain's people (amongst whom were daughters of men). After time, Cain's people and Seth's people would meet due to population growth, since they were separated when Cain went into Nod. And this is precisely what the first verse of Gen 6 says!

So are you saying Jesus was born with the flesh of man and the Spirit of God?

Seth was born before Adam fell?

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Man is born unreconciled to God. Jesus wasn't born as such for He was the incarnate and preexisting Christ, the Son of God.



I'm not sure what you're asking, stone. Jesus had a spirit just as ours....our spirit isn't dead.



He was fully the Christ, the son of God, not God. He was one with God and God was in Him reconciling the world unto Himself. He was the perfect and complete image and manifestation of God, His Father.

Define soul.



Just like the worlds were created. The power of God.

On what, specifically?

Well prior to new birth some say our spirit is dead in trespasses and sin because of Adam.

Soul in the Greek is Psyche, which means it has the breath of life in it.

I posted several questions, take your pick..

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Sounds to me like your question is more about original sin or a similar concept?

I'm just trying to piece together a puzzle.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Gods_Chosen_85

seekerman how can you say that Jesus Christ is not God! You said he is the Son of God but not God!

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Those names reflected Jesus' authority, character and position in His oneness with His Father. You wouldn't say "I baptize you in the name of Wonderful", would you? No, His NAME isn't wonderful, that's an attribute of Jesus.

Originally Posted by Gods_Chosen_85

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

I've never met anyone who said, "I baptize you in the name of Emmanuel" either. Not saying there aren't those who use that verbage, but I've never met them. Again, it's talking about identity Jesus has in the Father. Jesus was the perfect expression of His, Father, the one and only God.

Originally Posted by Gods_Chosen_85

Even Thomas refered to Him as My Lord and My God in John 20:28. It would have been blasphemy for a Jew to glorify anyone other than God himself as God and yet thomas praised Jesus as The One True Living God!

Seems that Jesus, and Mary were confused about who He was then. Jesus said, not long after Thomas' proclamation, that He was ascending to His God and Mary's God. Both Jesus and Mary served the same God and I'm thinking that Thomas did too.

Without going off on a big tangent, the greek for "God" in the NT is "theos". 'Theos', according to Strong's and Thayers is defined as such....

1) the supreme Deity
2) God's represenative or viceregent
2) magistrate or judges
3) god or godesses

Jesus Himself proclaimed that we are "theos". We aren't the supreme Deity though, it's simply speaking of a positional place we have as children of God. Jesus though proceeded directly from the Father and was in the form of God, thinking it not to be robbery to be equal to God, as a result He was given a name by God that is above every name. Which brings up one of my favorite verses......from the NASB.....

Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If you're more comfortable with the KJV, let me post that also......

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.