** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? ****

[DAII]

A reliable source has stated that there are preliminary reports of districts requiring new and/or young ministers to sign a "new type" of affirmation ... that is distinct from the Westberg affirmation.

It appears that in this affirmation signees affirm their allegiance to the Holiness article only.

It also appears that this is an HQ suggestion or directive.

Questions by constituents possibly include: Why is an additional layer of affirmation needed when ministers already affirm their beliefs at licensure and every 2 years?

If this is a directive, what is its basis within the by-laws?

More forthcoming.

[Aquila]

The UPCI is a human institution that has drifted from God and is primarily about politics and money. The UPCI appears to hinder ministers from following their God given convictions by forcing all this human red tape on ministers. Most of the time it's a bid to control the local church. I firmly believe that the UPCI has become excessive in this area.

[POWERUP]

Amen!!!!!!to the Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aquila.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by DAII

A reliable source has stated that there are preliminary reports of districts requiring new and/or young ministers to sign a "new type" of affirmation ... that is distinct from the Westberg affirmation.

It appears that in this affirmation signees affirm their allegiance to the Holiness article only.

It also appears that this is an HQ suggestion or directive.

Questions by constituents possibly include: Why is an additional layer of affirmation needed when ministers already affirm their beliefs at licensure and every 2 years?

If this is a directive, what is its basis within the by-laws?

More forthcoming.

Only one word comes to mind......................NOSEDIVE!!!!

[rgcraig]

Has this all come about because there are many UPC churches now that are relaxing a few of their "standards?"

Are they drawing a line in the sand?

[Justin]

I guess the "WeDeclare" crowd had somewhat of an impact.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Only one word comes to mind......................NOSEDIVE!!!!

They keep making these guys sign damnation unto themselves!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Has this all come about because there are many UPC churches now that are relaxing a few of their "standards?"

Are they drawing a line in the sand?

There's definitely a battle brewing. Many people really love the unique identity the UPC and its spin-offs have had, and are determined not to lose it. "The Look" is one of the main parts of that identity.

Others no longer believe that "the look" is a biblical requirement, and are willing to let it go.

Many are determined that there will be a line in the sand that divides the two mindsets.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

There's definitely a battle brewing. Many people really love the unique identity the UPC and its spin-offs have had, and are determined not to lose it. "The Look" is one of the main parts of that identity.

Others no longer believe that "the look" is a biblical requirement, and are willing to let it go.

Many are determined that there will be a line in the sand that divides the two mindsets.

I am not so apposed to THE LOOK just he attitude that it breeds ..........ie if you don't have the LOOK you are not saved.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Only one word comes to mind......................NOSEDIVE!!!!

Originally Posted by Neck

They keep making these guys sign damnation unto themselves!

They want these guys to lie and say they dont' have a TV and will preach and teach against it .... which they all mostly do ...
to preserve a couple of lines that deal with uncut hair and makeup ... and say nothing about pants on a woman and jewelry?

It breeds liars for a poorly written holiness statement that does not truly exemplify the "values or identity of the culture"